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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 18:28:31 GMT -5
Whether or not its illegal,its still bush league.
FF should have integrity just like golf. And you know about golf Craig.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 18:34:09 GMT -5
Whether or not its illegal,its still bush league. FF should have integrity just like golf. And you know about golf Craig. I use my foot wedge now and then. haha. But I just play for fun, no competition with anyone but me. I just want to make a good shot. I don't keep score. But FF I will break you if I can. I will use spygate, steroids, or plant pot in your car if it helps me win. Baaaaaaaahaaaahaa.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 18:37:49 GMT -5
Whether or not its illegal,its still bush league. FF should have integrity just like golf. And you know about golf Craig. I use my foot wedge now and then. haha. But I just play for fun, no competition with anyone but me. I just want to make a good shot. I don't keep score. But FF I will break you if I can. I will use spygate, steroids, or plant pot in your car if it helps me win. Baaaaaaaahaaaahaa. LMAO...yes you would. Take no prisoners haha
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Post by gobolts25 on Sept 17, 2014 19:26:48 GMT -5
Interesting conversation. So If I'm first on the ww and I drop my first round pick and repick him, He goes to the ww tag? I don't think so. But I'm not sure. If I drafted him and he's mine at the end of the year he goes where I drafted him. Hummmmmm This is keeper convo 202. In the first place most leagues have undroppables. I don't think you can drop AP. Can you? Some leagues like OGY don't have any undropables. But what if somebody else picks him up from the WW, which is the way I understood Dive's question? Wouldn't he then have a WW tag for that player and thus have whatever round is assigned to WW pickups? That's the very definition of undervaluing.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 19:39:09 GMT -5
Interesting conversation. So If I'm first on the ww and I drop my first round pick and repick him, He goes to the ww tag? I don't think so. But I'm not sure. If I drafted him and he's mine at the end of the year he goes where I drafted him. Hummmmmm This is keeper convo 202. In the first place most leagues have undroppables. I don't think you can drop AP. Can you? Some leagues like OGY don't have any undropables. But what if somebody else picks him up from the WW, which is the way I understood Dive's question? Wouldn't he then have a WW tag for that player and thus have whatever round is assigned to WW pickups? That's the very definition of undervaluing. Yes he would. It happens. A high draft pick is under achieving and gets dropped. He is later picked up by another owner and excels. His new owner is awarded the ww tag.
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Post by gobolts25 on Sept 17, 2014 19:45:57 GMT -5
But what if somebody else picks him up from the WW, which is the way I understood Dive's question? Wouldn't he then have a WW tag for that player and thus have whatever round is assigned to WW pickups? That's the very definition of undervaluing. Yes he would. It happens. A high draft pick is under achieving and gets dropped. He is later picked up by another owner and excels. His new owner is awarded the ww tag. Your counterexample is fine as far it goes, but it's nowhere near the same as colluding with another player to get the same effect. The player who originally dropped that high draft pick didn't have the intention of helping anyone out but himself, by clearing a roster spot for someone he/she thinks may perform better than the player he dropped. If that same high draft pick then improves, more power to whoever picked him up. It has little to do with Dive's scenario.
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Post by Divebitch on Sept 17, 2014 19:51:09 GMT -5
Interesting conversation. So If I'm first on the ww and I drop my first round pick and repick him, He goes to the ww tag? I don't think so. But I'm not sure. If I drafted him and he's mine at the end of the year he goes where I drafted him. Hummmmmm This is keeper convo 202. In the first place most leagues have undroppables. I don't think you can drop AP. Can you? Some leagues like OGY don't have any undropables. Correct, at least you're understanding is the exact same as mine. lol haha Plax brought up a good point that I hadn't thought of. If you are 1 on the ww can you drop a player to improve your draft tag for him? I agree its bush league to do so, but is it legal? We may need to look at this and put it in the rules. No, I believe you were right the first time. Interesting conversation. So If I'm first on the ww and I drop my first round pick and repick him, He goes to the ww tag? I don't think so. But I'm not sure. If I drafted him and he's mine at the end of the year he goes where I drafted him. Hummmmmm This is keeper convo 202. In the first place most leagues have undroppables. I don't think you can drop AP. Can you? Some leagues like OGY don't have any undropables. But what if somebody else picks him up from the WW, which is the way I understood Dive's question? Wouldn't he then have a WW tag for that player and thus have whatever round is assigned to WW pickups? That's the very definition of undervaluing. Keeper Convo 202. Great job. You mastered WW 101 at the OG vs. NGs. Yes, just to reiterate...my understanding is this (just according to our Orig GY rules, which several subsequent keeper leagues have modeled themselves after (at least w/regards to keepers)....Whoever you drafted...if you wind up with them at the end of the season, no matter what other detours that player took along the way, he retains the orig draft tag. Anyone ELSE ends up with him via trade with the orig drafter, he retains that same tag. If same player was acquired thru via WW or FA, the orig tag is gone. Ya see, it usually works the opposite way, where late round draftees that you take a flyer on are dropped. Anyway, wasn't gonna rush out to get er done. Just wondering what y'all thought. Jeppers, 'bush league', really? Been called worse. Where's the 'tell it like it is' stuff? Like what a classless act this would be. lol
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 20:04:43 GMT -5
Okay I'm a little confused on Dives scenario. Just reread it and it makes little sense. If Dive owns Peterson and needs an RB, and Mork has plenty of RB's can Dive trade a no name to Mork for a good RB with the promise she drops AP? So Mork can pick him up and keep him next year for a lesser draft pick? It makes sense to me that way. Its like Dive is improving her team now while Mork is planing for the future and taking up a roster spot this year. It's not much different than the trade I did with dive. I gave her Gordon with a late round tag for Rivers. I had A. Rodgers but wanted a good back up and match up option. Gordon now will be back but I don't care and didn't know that. If Dive gets what she needs in the trade and her dropping AP is part of the deal I see no collusion. It's a trade. I also don't see it as bush league. It depends on what Dive gets for him. Disclaimer. Any names mentioned in this post are fictional. Any resemblance to anyone real is coincidental.
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Post by Divebitch on Sept 17, 2014 20:29:15 GMT -5
Yes he would. It happens. A high draft pick is under achieving and gets dropped. He is later picked up by another owner and excels. His new owner is awarded the ww tag. Your counterexample is fine as far it goes, but it's nowhere near the same as colluding with another player to get the same effect. The player who originally dropped that high draft pick didn't have the intention of helping anyone out but himself, by clearing a roster spot for someone he/she thinks may perform better than the player he dropped. If that same high draft pick then improves, more power to whoever picked him up. It has little to do with Dive's scenario. I think you keep missing one very key point. By making a trade whereby you assure that trade partner he'd get your droppee at a 5th/6th rounder, you'd be asking for someone better than who you can get off the WW or FA. Do you get that? You're not just "clearing a spot". PERFECT example... Say I have AP (1), and my potential trade partner (with #1 WW priority) has Josh Gordon (4th or 5th), and I can't keep AP next year, he can't keep Gordon. We assume AP will play next year maybe sooner. Gordon will be back week 12. That would be a pretty even trade. He gets AP for 2 years as a 5th rounder, and I get a top, proven WR (not a gamble on an Allen Hurns or Khiry Robinson) at a 4th or 5th rounder for 2 years. It's not colluding the more ya think about it - just different. I mean all trades are discussed between private parties involved, right? Its purpose exactly the same as any other normal trade - both parties benefit. craig440 - Didn't see your post before posting this, but agree w/you 100%. It's a normal trade IMO, just thinking a little outside the box. It's not collusion at all, IMO. Someone wants to say 'bush league', okay, fine, whatever, and whatever that means. haha Both parties win. You're not trying to manipulate divisional wins/losses or somethin'.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2014 20:32:24 GMT -5
Your counterexample is fine as far it goes, but it's nowhere near the same as colluding with another player to get the same effect. The player who originally dropped that high draft pick didn't have the intention of helping anyone out but himself, by clearing a roster spot for someone he/she thinks may perform better than the player he dropped. If that same high draft pick then improves, more power to whoever picked him up. It has little to do with Dive's scenario. I think you keep missing one very key point. By making a trade whereby you assure that trade partner he'd get your droppee at a 5th/6th rounder, you'd be asking for someone better than who you can get off the WW or FA. Do you get that? You're not just "clearing a spot". PERFECT example... Say I have AP (1), and my potential trade partner (with #1 WW priority) has Josh Gordon (4th or 5th), and I can't keep AP next year, he can't keep Gordon. We assume AP will play next year maybe sooner. Gordon will be back week 12. That would be a pretty even trade. He gets AP for 2 years as a 5th rounder, and I get a top, proven WR (not a gamble on an Allen Hurns or Khiry Robinson) at a 4th or 5th rounder for 2 years. It's not colluding the more ya think about it - just different. I mean all trades are discussed between private parties involved, right? Its purpose exactly the same as any other normal trade - both parties benefit. I agree. Taking AP is a risk. He may not be back. He may be back next week. Who the F knows anymore. He's no spring chicken ya know.
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