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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2014 17:57:40 GMT -5
You know, where EVERYONE get's together at someone's house or a bar in person. Just did one like that for the first time last night. Didn't go as well or smoothly as I had hoped for, and ultimately my draft wasn't the absolute best it could have been.
It's a 12 team PPR(1pt per rec) money league, with some crazy scoring bonuses. I had the 8th overall pick in a snake.
We did it at a bar in center city, Philadelphia. I drove with my cousin in his car, and he had to pay $26 to park, as a lot was the only place to find available parking. That kinda started off bad right from the beginning. When we get into the place, it was so freaking dimly lit, that I had real trouble seeing the paper in front of me, let alone the draft board several feet away.
My printer was giving me some problems before I left to go there, and I was running short on time. The print out list of players I left my house with had the smallest freaking printed lettering I had ever saw in my life. It turned out to be a HUGE freaking problem. The lighting combined with the tiny print proved to be a nightmare, as I couldn't locate players fast enough to keep up with the flow of the draft. I ended up having to discard the list by the 11th or 12th round, and started asking other people who the hell was still available from there on out.
Even with that being said, I honestly believe I still have a solid core of players. Please let me know what you think.
QB- Jay Cutler / Round 6 RB- Giovani Bernard / Round 3 RB- Rashad Jennings / Round 4 WR- A.J. Green / Round 1 WR- Antonio Brown / Round 2 TE- Zach Ertz / Round 8 W/R/T- Cordarelle Patterson / Round 5 D/ST- Carolina / Round 9 K- Dan Bailey(DAL) / Round 14
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RB- Joique Bell / Round 7 RB- Andre Williams / Round 10 WR- Tavon Austin / Round 11 TE- Fucking Pettigrew / Round 12 (totally accidental pick) QB- Alex Smith / Round 13 (by this point I was lost and didn't even care anymore) WR- Kenny Britt / Round 15
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2014 19:09:11 GMT -5
The way I see it, you have 3 solid rbs, 3 solid wrs, a QB who is in for a huge season if he stays healthy, an up and coming TE who should be in for a big year, and arguably one of the best defense in the league. Yeah, I'd say you did well overall.
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Post by Juggs on Aug 24, 2014 21:45:51 GMT -5
I disagree. I think this team is not good at all. I don't know who was on the board there, but Brown and Jennings just seem like big reaches in each rounds. Also, having Jay Cutler and Alex Smith is very bad. I actually like Jay Cutler a lot, but I wouldn't want him to be my starter without a very viable backup. Joique Bell in round 7 is atrocious I don't know what you were thinking. AJ Green and Antonio will win you a few games by themselves in PPR especially if you have Brown's KR value, but no one else on your team is a really viable contributor that I would want to start every week.
I think this team will be very inconsistent, and blow out maybe three or four games, but will probably self-destruct and generally struggle. I say 5 wins in a standard season.
As an afterthought, I love Patterson especially in PPR, but again, super inconsistent. I change my prediction from 5 wins to 6, but still, no playoffs.
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Post by steelers54 on Aug 25, 2014 9:21:58 GMT -5
You know, where EVERYONE get's together at someone's house or a bar in person. Just did one like that for the first time last night. Didn't go as well or smoothly as I had hoped for, and ultimately my draft wasn't the absolute best it could have been. It's a 12 team PPR(1pt per rec) money league, with some crazy scoring bonuses. I had the 8th overall pick in a snake. We did it at a bar in center city, Philadelphia. I drove with my cousin in his car, and he had to pay $26 to park, as a lot was the only place to find available parking. That kinda started off bad right from the beginning. When we get into the place, it was so freaking dimly lit, that I had real trouble seeing the paper in front of me, let alone the draft board several feet away. My printer was giving me some problems before I left to go there, and I was running short on time. The print out list of players I left my house with had the smallest freaking printed lettering I had ever saw in my life. It turned out to be a HUGE freaking problem. The lighting combined with the tiny print proved to be a nightmare, as I couldn't locate players fast enough to keep up with the flow of the draft. I ended up having to discard the list by the 11th or 12th round, and started asking other people who the hell was still available from there on out. Even with that being said, I honestly believe I still have a solid core of players. Please let me know what you think. QB- Jay Cutler / Round 6 RB- Giovani Bernard / Round 3 RB- Rashad Jennings / Round 4 WR- A.J. Green / Round 1 WR- Antonio Brown / Round 2 TE- Zach Ertz / Round 8 W/R/T- Cordarelle Patterson / Round 5 D/ST- Carolina / Round 9 K- Dan Bailey(DAL) / Round 14 BENCH RB- Joique Bell / Round 7 RB- Andre Williams / Round 10 WR- Tavon Austin / Round 11 TE- Fucking Pettigrew / Round 12 (totally accidental pick) QB- Alex Smith / Round 13 (by this point I was lost and didn't even care anymore) WR- Kenny Britt / Round 15 First grasshopper one must be prepared and plan for the unexpected.You should have tested your printer a couple days before your draft to make sure it was okay, most bars are dimly lit and you should have known that. You could have done a test at home with little light in a room to see if there was a problem reading your list. Once you got to the bar I take it they had an area for your league to conduct the draft and when you couldn't see the draft board from a couple feet away you should have asked for it to be moved to a place with better lighting or ask for some kind of light so you could see. All that said lets look at your draft. Okay you had the 8th pick out of 12 teams 1st round the top RB's were probably gone so not bad going with A.J.Green with your 1st pick 2nd round yes it is a pass happy league but with so few good RB's you should have taken one here instead of Antonio Brown. 3rd round getting Giovani Bernard here was good and had you taken a RB in the 2nd round you would have been in better shape. 4th round this is where you could have went for your 2nd WR from those still available 5th round getting C.Patterson was okay and I take it he was one of the better options at WR at that point 6th round Jay Cutler is not a bad choice for QB but you maybe could have gotten him a little later unless there was a big run on the QB's. If there was not a run on QB's here you could have went after a good TE with this pick. Overall it's not a bad team but you will have to keep your eyes open for any gems left on the WW/FA list or get lucky and pull off a trade with someone.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2014 12:34:11 GMT -5
I disagree. I think this team is not good at all. I don't know who was on the board there, but Brown and Jennings just seem like big reaches in each rounds. "Not good at all." Come on now, that's not totally accurate, although I do appreciate your honest opinion.
Antonio Brown had 110 catches last season, 1500 yards and 8 TD's. This IS a PPR league. He was projected to go early in the 3rd round, and I picked him up towards the middle of round 2. However, odds are, he wouldn't have still been there in the 3rd round with my 32nd overall pick. Considering the PPR factor, I really liked him compared to the other options. A WR with that type of production usually outscores quite a few of the RB selections chosen in the first round.
Rashad Jennings WAS a little bit of a reach, but I've been high on him this offseason. NYG love to run the football, a LOT, it's a PPR...and he IS going to get a lot of receptions out of the backfield. My only real concern with him is durability. If he is able to stay healthy, he'll be a very solid #2 RB that will surprise a LOT of people. Also, having Jay Cutler and Alex Smith is very bad. I actually like Jay Cutler a lot, but I wouldn't want him to be my starter without a very viable backup. Let me start off by saying, I've never been high on Cutler as a FF QB. However, I do love his potential to have an excellent season THIS year. Although I wasn't planning on drafting him as my starter, there were a few boneheads that made a SERIOUS run on QB's WAY too early. He was the last of the best available options at that point, has arguably the best WR duo in the league, and Forte at RB. The sky is the limit for him this season, barring his health.
I agree that Alex Smith isn't a great backup option. By that point in the draft I was lost, and just wanted it to be over. Top options on WW are Palmer, McCown, Geno, Manuel, Locker or Fitzpatrick. I'm thinking Palmer is probably a better choice over Alex Smith, and I may make the switch there. Joique Bell in round 7 is atrocious I don't know what you were thinking. In a PPR league, Bell is a very good option as a 3rd RB or flex starter. He and Bush will virtually split touches this season, he catches a LOT of passes out of the backfield, AND he's the goaline RB. That's why I passed up on Bush for Rashad Jennings in the 4th round. He may even outscore Bush flat out, not to mention Reggie isn't exactly the poster boy of durability. I knew people would sleep on Bell, and that I could scoop him up later in the draft. I think he's one of the best #2rb's in the league, and he'll have just as many opportunities as Bush does this season. In PPR, he was projected to go a round or two earlier. I think he's an absolute steal with the 80th overall pick. Not sure what you're seeing.AJ Green and Antonio will win you a few games by themselves in PPR especially if you have Brown's KR value, but no one else on your team is a really viable contributor that I would want to start every week. Green AND Antonio are BOTH very capable/likely to catch 100 passes this season, with a ton of yards and decent amount of TD's. The sheer volume of targets they both get put's them ahead of many other options in a PPR league, and that includes quite a few Rb's drafted ahead of them in the first and second rounds.
Bernard should be a beast in PPR leagues this season. He's currently ranked around the 9th best RB in PPR formats. I actually saw him go with the 7th overall pick in ESPN "expert" mock draft. He'll be a viable contributor, no doubt about it. I also believe Patterson will have a very nice season, and make a LOT of big plays. Did I mention there's a 10 point bonus for TD's of 50+yards?
I think this team will be very inconsistent, and blow out maybe three or four games, but will probably self-destruct and generally struggle. I say 5 wins in a standard season. As an afterthought, I love Patterson especially in PPR, but again, super inconsistent. I change my prediction from 5 wins to 6, but still, no playoffs.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2014 12:51:18 GMT -5
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Post by Juggs on Aug 25, 2014 13:27:07 GMT -5
Alright now I have to retort haha Brown is clearly a good player, and I admitted as much. However, because you took him early in round 2, every position but WR on your team is well below average. Basically this opening simply relies on AJ Green and Brown carrying your team every single week. While they are both great NFL players, Green is not an elite fantasy WR even when he plays like an elite WR. Brown was an elite producer last year, especially in PPR, no doubt, but if he'll continue that is anyone's guess. As I said, these are two great players, but they are the whole team you have, and that's a formula for failure. The next two rounds, you went with Gio Bernard in the late third and Jennings in the early 4th. Bernard is okay value there, but only if you already have a quality #1, which you should have going into round 3, but you didn't. Bernard is an acceptable RB2 at best, but he was inconsistent last year and didn't play well at all down the stretch. In the last 7 games, Bernard broke 60 yards once and scored 1 TD. Now he's being joined by Jeremy Hill as well, and the Bengals are probably emphasizing the pass more... I think Bernard is a good player to have but he isn't even close to a #1. And Jennings is totally unproven on a bad, pass first team with no o-line talent to speak of. Desperately shooting at the only options at runningback left seriously hurt you at QB, where you have a bottom of the league starter, and maybe not even a top 12 TE in Zach Ertz, although he could impress as he started to come on at the end of last season. A Nick Foles "sophomore" slump could decimate him though, as he was a ghost with Vick playing. You then have Cordarelle and Tavon Austin, both of whom I like a lot, but aren't proven studs by any means, and the rest of your depth should never see your starting lineup at all. So you ended up with 4 talented WRs, and being bad at every other position with no depth. I hold true to what I said earlier, which is that your team could put up monster points as Cutler goes through peaks and valleys, but otherwise it will be consistently too weak to compete.
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Post by Juggs on Aug 25, 2014 13:34:23 GMT -5
Think about how many #1 WRs there are compared to how many #1 RBs there are. Definite #1 RBs are AP, Shady, Charle, Forte, Lynch, Lacy
You can make a case for Martin, Gore, Bell, Murray, maybe Foster and Morris if you're really desperate. But basically the six up there are the only great options.
As opposed to #1 WRs: Megatron, Dthomas, AJ Green, Bryant, Marshall, Jones, Nelson, Jeffery, Brown, Cobb, Fitz, Cruz, Djax. And you could similarly clump other guys in there like Andre Johnson, Roddy white, Pierre Garcon, Sammy Watkins and Keenan Allen.
If you double up on WRs or go WR/TE early, you're giving up on any shot of getting an elite RB or even a quality starter. Then you chase in the future rounds to be adequate at RB and you ruin the rest of your team trying. The only sensible openings right now are: RB/WR RB/RB WR/RB RB/TE (if you get Graham and have an early third)
I don't see any way you can try and make WR/WR work, however, I'm going to go into a 12 man PPR FFC draft to try and make this work, because it is interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2014 14:05:05 GMT -5
Okay you had the 8th pick out of 12 teams 1st round the top RB's were probably gone so not bad going with A.J.Green with your 1st pick Yes, top Rb's were gone. Green is a target machine(led the league last season I think), and in line to catch over 100 passes with a ton of yards and decent amount of TD's. Also, he's one of the safest picks of all WR's, as he's been extremely reliable in terms of durability as well. 2nd round yes it is a pass happy league but with so few good RB's you should have taken one here instead of Antonio Brown. Like AJ Green, Brown is likely to catch over 100 passes this season with a lot of yards, and decent TD production. What many people fail to consider when drafting in PPR leagues, is how often heavily targeted WR's that catch a ton of passes usually outscore many of the Rb's drafted much earlier. Go take a look at the history from last season production in PPR and see the point differential between some of the top Rb's picked early, compared to some Wr's picked up later in draft. Think you'd be surprised. For example, I'll use one PPR league results I was in last season.
Antonio Brown 365 points. Outside of Qb's, he was the 3rd best scorer outside Charles and McCoy. McCoy had less than 20 points more with 382. Forte=349, Moreno=308, Lynch=286, Murray=280, Peterson=261
AJ Green 338 pts. The only RB's to outscore him were Forte, McCoy & Charles.
There are many similar stories of Wr's outscoring early Rb's picks in the PPR format. I'm glad that people overvalue RB's in PPR. That's why I should be able to creep up on em' and lay the smack down.
3rd round getting Giovani Bernard here was good and had you taken a RB in the 2nd round you would have been in better shape. I was EXTREMELY happy to see him slip to me that far in the draft. He was expected to go a round earlier, and believe it or not, some of the "experts" were picking him in the first round of a 12 team PPR league. If it were not PPR, I wouldn't like him as my #1 so much so. However, it IS, and he'll pt up a ton of production in a PPR format. 4th round this is where you could have went for your 2nd WR from those still available Jennings, if he stays healthy, is a VERY solid choice as my #2 Rb. He's a very viable threat catching the ball out of the backfield, and he's on a team that runs the hell out the ball. I already nabbed two top 10 Wr's by that point, and knew I would probably still be able to get Patterson in the next round. I'm happy with Jennings, and if he stays healthy, you'll all understand why. 5th round getting C.Patterson was okay and I take it he was one of the better options at WR at that point This league awards 10 point bonuses of TD's over 50+yards, and 5 point bonuses of TD's over 40+yards. That's what Patterson brings...explosive player who will have a LOT of BIG plays. That's what I'm expecting, we shall see.
6th round Jay Cutler is not a bad choice for QB but you maybe could have gotten him a little later unless there was a big run on the QB's. If there was not a run on QB's here you could have went after a good TE with this pick. Yes, there was a highly unusual run on Qb's, often and early. Few boneheads in the league who weren't very experienced. SEA D was taken in the third freaking round, need I say more? That's why it's hard to judge who I choose and where, because a few boneheads threw things off by continuously overvaluing certain players, and drafting them WAY ahead of time. By the 6th round, I had no choice but to grab Cutler. I had a LOT of other Qb's targeted in this draft, but Cutler was the ONLY one of my targets still available at that point. Overall it's not a bad team but you will have to keep your eyes open for any gems left on the WW/FA list or get lucky and pull off a trade with someone. I currently have WW orders to switch Brandon Pettigrew for Ladarius Green as my backup TE position. Pettigrew was an accidental pick. Also have another WW order to replace Tavon Austin for Malcom Floyd. Do you think that's a good switch...Austin for Floyd? No Bradford this season makes me think so. Also thinking of replacing Alex Smith as my backup Qb with Carson Palmer who's still available.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2014 15:57:00 GMT -5
Alright now I have to retort haha Brown is clearly a good player, and I admitted as much. However, because you took him early in round 2, every position but WR on your team is well below average. Basically this opening simply relies on AJ Green and Brown carrying your team every single week. I'm comfortable having to depend on those two to produce most of my points. Aren't your first two picks supposed to carry the load? Go ahead and dig up 2013 statistical leaders in PPR leagues....
Antonio Brown was either the best WR, or 2nd to only Demaryius Thomas. Only other players outside of Qb's to outscore him were McCoy, Charles and possibly Forte. Basically the same story with AJ Green, who was only outscored by Gordon, Antonio Brown, Demaryius Thomas, McCoy, Forte and Charles...give or take a few spots, pending on some league settings.
In a PPR, it's very possible that both of my WR's outscore all Rb's not named Charles, McCoy or Forte. They beat out all the other top Rb's outside of those 3 last season(Lynch/Murray/Lacy/Peterson), and only two other Wr's were right there with them(Gordon&Thomas).
With that in mind, I think I did very well in my first two rounds picking Green & Brown. I was the 8th overall pick, McCoy/Charles/Forte were all gone. With my first two picks, I grabbed two of the highest scoring players in PPR in Green & Brown. Your first two picks ARE supposed to carry your team. I'm not upset at ALL with my strategy.
Infact, anyone drafting in a PPR should truly check out statistical leaders from last season. Don't just get caught up having to draft big name Rb's early. Facts are there. Overall, Rb's are not of higher priority in PPR outside of McCoy, Charles and Forte. Maybe AP too, if they actually throw him the ball a lot more, as they have said they will.
The next two rounds, you went with Gio Bernard in the late third and Jennings in the early 4th. Bernard is okay value there, but only if you already have a quality #1, which you should have going into round 3, but you didn't. Bernard is an acceptable RB2 at best, but he was inconsistent last year and didn't play well at all down the stretch. In the last 7 games, Bernard broke 60 yards once and scored 1 TD. Now he's being joined by Jeremy Hill as well, and the Bengals are probably emphasizing the pass more... I think Bernard is a good player to have but he isn't even close to a #1. And Jennings is totally unproven on a bad, pass first team with no o-line talent to speak of. Both Bernard and Jennings will surprise a lot of people this season, especially in a ppr format. They will be fine, you'll see. Their scoring production in PPR will be extremely similar to most other Rb's in the 2nd tier. I'd rather have two of the top WR's, than two of the top 2nd tier Rb's in a PPR league any day.Desperately shooting at the only options at runningback left seriously hurt you at QB, where you have a bottom of the league starter, and maybe not even a top 12 TE in Zach Ertz, although he could impress as he started to come on at the end of last season. A Nick Foles "sophomore" slump could decimate him though, as he was a ghost with Vick playing. With the emergence of Alshon Jeffery alongside Brandon Marshall, and Forte taking his game to the next level...why wouldn't Cutler be in line to have the greatest statistical season of his career, and possibly be a top 5-10 Qb? You then have Cordarelle and Tavon Austin, both of whom I like a lot, but aren't proven studs by any means, and the rest of your depth should never see your starting lineup at all. So you ended up with 4 talented WRs, and being bad at every other position with no depth. I hold true to what I said earlier, which is that your team could put up monster points as Cutler goes through peaks and valleys, but otherwise it will be consistently too weak to compete. Cordarelle is gonna take it to the next level and go into beast mode this season. I just get that feeling. I took him in the 5th round, and I like my odds there. I don't really like Austin, especially with Bradford gone now. Thinking of dropping him for a healthy Malcolm Floyd with Rivers at Qb.
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