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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2014 17:34:34 GMT -5
I really don't think this is a good idea to talk about this.
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Post by saskabronco on Apr 29, 2014 17:38:32 GMT -5
Snoop Dogg's message was negative, but I honestly don't consider it as racist as what Sterling said. Snoop Dogg's message was directed at one specific person, and he included a racial slur directed at Sterling, who had already shown a hateful attitude towards black people. I don't approve of the attitude that Snoop Dogg took, but he wasn't claiming a large generalization of white people. What Sterling did was basically state that there is something wrong with black people; that non-black people should not associate with black people in public. Snoop Dogg's message is one of anger and immaturity. Sterling's message is one of a deep seeded belief that black people aren't equal people. Which is more harmful to society as a whole? Bull shit. Sterlings recording was directed to one person. His girlfriend. Did you listen to it? He said nothing of the sort. Snoop attacked him and his mom and everyone associated with him. And he did it in sixteen seconds. His mom if she is alive must be over one hundred years old. I can't believe the liberties you give him. There should be just as big an out cry to ban his crap. Total BS in that on Saska. No, it is not bullshit. The tone of the voice that the hateful thing is said in does not determine how extreme the hateful speech is. Snoop Dogg directed a hateful thing at Sterling. It was very personal. I agree that it was not a good thing to say and people shouldn't praise him for what he said. The difference with what Sterling said is that he made multiple generalizations about black people. Like I said, those generalizations show a deep seeded hatred for black people, or at least an attitude that they are not real people and should not be treated as such. I did listen to the full 9 minute conversation between Sterling and his girlfriend. She was egging him on, but that does not change the fact that he outright said things like "there is nothing wrong with liking black people, but keep it to yourself." It is ok to hang out with black people, but don't post those photos on Instagram, and don't bring them to my games." These quote may not be 100% accurate, but that is more or less what he said. So I will ask again, which is more hateful? Saying "fuck you and your mother" to one specific person, or saying "because of the color of your skin, you aren't real people" to an entire race? Saying fuck you and your mother might cause someone to get their ass kicked, but the latter attitude, that the color of skin determines a person's worth, is what leads to things like segregation or, worse, slavery. Snoop Dogg is an angry, immature loud-mouth who should not be considered a role model for our society. Sterling holds an attitude that people have fought and died in wars to overcome. Just because he didn't sound angry when he said the things he said does not mean what he said wasn't hateful or harmful to society. Using the excuse that he was raised that way is not acceptable.
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Post by Divebitch on Apr 29, 2014 17:48:41 GMT -5
Starting to see a trend in the older people not thinking this was a big deal...... Now you make this into an age thing?!? Yeah I'm older than most here. You show me where I said it was not a big deal in the other thread the graveyard. Bull shit. Sterlings recording was directed to one person. His girlfriend. Did you listen to it? He said nothing of the sort. Snoop attacked him and his mom and everyone associated with him. And he did it in sixteen seconds. His mom if she is alive must be over one hundred years old. I can't believe the liberties you give him. There should be just as big an out cry to ban his crap. Total BS in that one Saska. Actually, he was talking to 1 person, the ex-. But the message was directed at all black people. EDIT: I agree he's old and raised that way whatever. But he's not senile in a nursing home. He doesn't have the sense to be the owner of an NBA team, plain and simple. Adam Silver may have truly agree with max penalty, and I believe he was sincere, but he had no choice, nothing less would have been acceptable.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2014 18:00:56 GMT -5
Amazing how people quote and leave out what doesn't fit for them. I will listen to Sterling again. But I don't think he said one word like the color of your skin determines your worth. That is made up by you. I will apologize if I hear that. He said when people see the pictures on instagram they call me.
And Snoop did not say "fuck you and your mother". He said " fuck you you redneck white bread mother fucker. And fuck your momma and everyone associated with you"
So it seems you have selective hearing.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2014 18:01:04 GMT -5
I just hate how its always the same people vs the same people when it concerns politics and religion. Its just pointless guys.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2014 18:04:27 GMT -5
I just hate how its always the same people vs the same people when it concerns politics and religion. Its just pointless guys. Not really pointless as long as people don't get upset. I think Sterling should not be an owner, I just want equal justice for stupid statements like Snoops. Fighting hate with hate is taking us backwards.
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Post by Juggs on Apr 29, 2014 18:28:59 GMT -5
Sterling and Snoop Dogg is a totally unfair comparison. No one respects anything snoop says. The guy attempted to break the record for smoking and changed his name to snoop lion and practices Haitian voodoo. He's not a role model. Billionaire sports professionals are. I wouldn't take a racist rant from Limbaugh or Sharpton any more serious than I would Snoop. Guys like those are beneath consideration. NBA Owners are people who matter and when their voices come out on issues that don't hold up the code of conduct they sign up for, and get paid billions to sign up for, they are going to get shit on. No one cares about Snoop Dogg. That's why there's no outrage unless it's faux-outrage to deflect from things that matter.
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Post by saskabronco on Apr 29, 2014 18:30:40 GMT -5
Amazing how people quote and leave out what doesn't fit for them. I will listen to Sterling again. But I don't think he said one word like the color of your skin determines your worth. That is made up by you. I will apologize if I hear that. He said when people see the pictures on instagram they call me. And Snoop did not say "fuck you and your mother". He said " fuck you you redneck white bread mother fucker. And fuck your momma and everyone associated with you" So it seems you have selective hearing. He never said the color of your skin determines your worth. That was his attitude though. The fact that he makes statements about it not being ok to associate with black people in public is very strong evidence of that attitude. Notice I didn't quote him as saying that. He was lecturing his girlfriend because she posted pictures on instagram with black people and he apparently was getting calls from people because of that. He is embarrassed that his girlfriend associates with black people in public. And Snoop Dogg wasn't attacking white people, he was attacking a white person. He used rude and immature language. What I was trying to get at was looking at what the overall message of what each person was saying. This requires you to understand what is being said, not just hearing the words. Snoop Dogg's message: "Fuck you and your friends and family, you white piece of shit" Sterlings message: "It is not acceptable to associate with black people" Snoop Dogg's message sounds more hateful because it is very blunt and to the point. Sterlings message is FAR more harmful because he is spreading an attitude that sets humanity back hundreds of years. Hateful is not good. Harmful is much worse. If I blatantly said that I hate you in a very angry tone, you probably wouldn't like me very much. If I calmly said that you have no right to be in my presence because you are a lesser human being than I am and then treated you as such, does that not come across as far more harmful? If you are still not capable of seeing the difference, then there is no point in continuing this discussion.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2014 18:43:25 GMT -5
I just hate how its always the same people vs the same people when it concerns politics and religion. Its just pointless guys. Not really pointless as long as people don't get upset. I think Sterling should not be an owner, I just want equal justice for stupid statements like Snoops. Fighting hate with hate is taking us backwards. OK well Craig here's my problem that annoys me. Why do white liberals always have to be so aggressive when it's a racial topic concerning blacks? If anything, an opinion, in the slightest degree is said in a negative light of blacks with racial undertones, or even if it's a true generalization, they jump on you like a pack of wolves. It bothers me that they are white, yet they are the loudest, most confrontational people despite the fact that they're not even the race being "discriminated" against.
You know what? Liberals just bother me. A lot.
They always chime in whenever it's something racial, religious, or regarding the ecosystem -- but they aren't as loud about other things, like economical, judicial, and just common everyday problems that are more important in today's society. No. Their priorities are mixed up. What about the people that live in poverty every day across the world?
One guy's stupid opinion is just that -- stupid. I don't care what his retarded opinion is about skin color... He had black people on his team. Ok. I would have a different opinion on this if he knowingly recorded this or voiced his opinion in a public stance. But no, he quietly said his opinion to his girlfriend in a secluded area and was unaware that it would go public. See. I'm not Republican or Democratic. I don't limit myself to one viewpoint of opinions. I'm looking at this logically. A) It's an old man that was raised in a certain fashion that obviously impacts his viewpoint. B) It's an oral opinion that was voiced in a secluded area
Do I like this bigot? Fuck no. I dislike him because he seems like a closed-minded person. But then again, do I really know this guy personally? Can I judge him for stating his opinion on something he was likely influenced by because of his childhood, age, and religious beliefs? He might be a really cool guy, but just doesn't like black people for whatever reason.
Have you ever had a friend that was really cool, intelligent, fun to be around, and very open-minded but at the same time called a black person every once in a while, (not to their face) a nigger? What, are they the worst person on the Earth now and deserve to be ostracized for their opinion? WTF, it's their opinion. If you don't like it, you don't need to go around campaigning, (especially as a white person), and treat them like the worst person on Earth for eternity. They said one word, a statement. If you can't handle a WORD, then YOU are even MORE closed-minded than the person who said the racist statement. (and yeah, calling a person a nigger is racist). This is dicey and I don't mean this in all circumstances, however.
Words are words, but circumstances do matter, and that is where I am willing to concede and agree with people on whether a person deserves to be bashed like the way people too often are now a days. This is a separation I've noticed is why it's old vs young on racial debates. The old were raised the with saying "Sticks and Stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me." That phrase in my opinion, is true more often than not. People overreact to words in today's society. Shit, people react more strongly to words than they do actions now a days!
And I'm not posting this post to get it rebutted. I'm just venting to you, Craig. And it's not about this stupid old fart who I could care less about. It's about how screwed up society is IMO. We got our priorities mixed up.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2014 18:46:11 GMT -5
Listened to it again. He never said the things you have already said he said. Reading between the lines doesn't work for me. If my fifty year younger girlfriend was posting pictures on instagram with other guys, I'd ask her to stop also.
Actually he praises Magic Johnson and never said the things the headline said he said. I just want truth in reporting. Reading between the lines is an opinion not truth.
He doesn't need to be an owner and I agree with his punishment. But putting words in his mouth is wrong. She is trying to bait him and probably sold the tape to TMZ for big bucks. Lots of double standard here. I give up. It's not worth talking about anymore. But if someone put words in my mouth that I didn't say, I'd be upset. He did not say the color of your skin dictates your worth. He said he didn't want his girlfriend posting pictures of her with other guys. It is not possible to know if white guys would have bothered him because she didn't do that. He sounds a little senile to me. Oh well I don't care. I'm done.
Just don't quote someone and use the reading between the lines thing. That's irresponsible reporting.
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