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Post by Morkim on Apr 6, 2014 5:16:10 GMT -5
Right, because he's so much more dirty than any other basketball coach. Horse shit. And I know I'm probably the only dude who still G about college BB on this forum this year. But Seriously, if any school loses their current coach for any reason. If Coach K retires, or John retires from Michigan. Every single school would love to have Calipari. You might hear people deny it now. But I'm sure Louisville fans would have scoffed about having Pitino as their coach in the 90s. Dude is a hell of a recruiter, and a hell of a coach. Yeah, he kind of is. I know what you're trying to say, but it's illogical. Not every coach is dirty. And don't tell me it's just coincidence that his final fours have had to be vacated at both UMass and Memphis. Also, I would definitely not want Cal as my coach. Really, the only thing he does greatly IMO is recruiting, but I don't even like his recruiting style. I'd much rather have a foundation of upperclassmen than starting 4/ 5 new frosh every year. I also don't think highly of him as an in-game coach. He puts 5 future NBA players on the court and sees if they can win on talent alone. There's not much game planning done, honestly. It depends how you define coincidence. He recruits the best players, and sometimes those high profile players have baggage. Camby hired an agent early. Took money from them. Calipari's fault? Yeah, ok. Rose cheated his grades in high school. Did Calipari know? Hard to say, but it's not like this hasn't happened else where. Nothing has really come from ANY of the Kentucky recruits. And people ask, "Well if he doesn't cheat, how does he get all those players??" He gets results. They get paid. And people who bash the recruiting style are insane. So, given the choice, you'd rather recruit the three star guy who could develop in 4 years than the 5 star guy who's already a solid player? And it's not like he doesn't recruit some players who carry over. He's had at least one carry over every year at Kentucky. This current class will probably have people like Lee, Hawkins and Johnson returning. And really, have you seen Michigan's roster? Lots of seniors and juniors right? And if you don't like his in game coaching, well. You don't really get how it works. It takes a lot of work and teaching and coaching to get new players to play something other than AAU ball every year. Calipari's teams are usually very very sound on defense. Do you think freshmen walk in who were stars on their respective basketball teams and said "Yeah, I wanna commit to defense" ? I've heard the "He just rolls a ball out on the court and watches them play" A lot. But then if that's the case, I don't see why NBA coaches are meaningful at all. I mean, does Popovich really do anything? Just because they are talented ball players doesn't mean the man isn't great at the X's and O's. As I was finishing writing this, I figured I'd never change your mind. So I'm going to stop there. /end Rant.
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Post by Miss Lacy on Apr 6, 2014 9:15:37 GMT -5
*sigh* One missed FT and a Hail Mary 3-pointer in the last 30 seconds. This game was ours--and we gave it away.
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Post by MarchingOn on Apr 6, 2014 15:21:16 GMT -5
Yeah, he kind of is. I know what you're trying to say, but it's illogical. Not every coach is dirty. And don't tell me it's just coincidence that his final fours have had to be vacated at both UMass and Memphis. Also, I would definitely not want Cal as my coach. Really, the only thing he does greatly IMO is recruiting, but I don't even like his recruiting style. I'd much rather have a foundation of upperclassmen than starting 4/ 5 new frosh every year. I also don't think highly of him as an in-game coach. He puts 5 future NBA players on the court and sees if they can win on talent alone. There's not much game planning done, honestly. It depends how you define coincidence. He recruits the best players, and sometimes those high profile players have baggage. Camby hired an agent early. Took money from them. Calipari's fault? Yeah, ok. Rose cheated his grades in high school. Did Calipari know? Hard to say, but it's not like this hasn't happened else where. Nothing has really come from ANY of the Kentucky recruits. And people ask, "Well if he doesn't cheat, how does he get all those players??" He gets results. They get paid. And people who bash the recruiting style are insane. So, given the choice, you'd rather recruit the three star guy who could develop in 4 years than the 5 star guy who's already a solid player? And it's not like he doesn't recruit some players who carry over. He's had at least one carry over every year at Kentucky. This current class will probably have people like Lee, Hawkins and Johnson returning. And really, have you seen Michigan's roster? Lots of seniors and juniors right? And if you don't like his in game coaching, well. You don't really get how it works. It takes a lot of work and teaching and coaching to get new players to play something other than AAU ball every year. Calipari's teams are usually very very sound on defense. Do you think freshmen walk in who were stars on their respective basketball teams and said "Yeah, I wanna commit to defense" ? I've heard the "He just rolls a ball out on the court and watches them play" A lot. But then if that's the case, I don't see why NBA coaches are meaningful at all. I mean, does Popovich really do anything? Just because they are talented ball players doesn't mean the man isn't great at the X's and O's. As I was finishing writing this, I figured I'd never change your mind. So I'm going to stop there. /end Rant. I'll actually give you the Marcus Camby thing, but the Derrick Rose scandal just screams shadiness. Rose failed the ACT three times in his hometown of Chicago, but then he went to Detroit (conveniently, which is where William Wesley lives) to take the SAT and he immediately passed? Given how closely Wesley and Calipari's work together, it's easy to connect the dots from there. Then there's the whole thing with Eric Bledsoe. Once again, I know Cal was never indicted of anything, but come on. Supposedly Bledsoe only had a 1.9 GPA after his junior year. Yet after his senior year, it was a 2.5. He also got an A in biology class his senior year, which is a class he also took his soph year and came away with a D. But wait, there's more! Bledsoe also maintained an A in Algebra 2 and 3, which were classes he failed the first time around. If that doesn't look shady to you, I'm not sure what does. Where there is smoke, there's fire. Cal has never been charged with anything, but it's quite suspicious how violations of his players seem to follow him everywhere he goes. Given that Burke, Hardaway, Levert, and GR3 (a couple others too) were 3 stars or lower, yes, I would. Lol seriously though, that's not what I meant. It's just good to have continuity within your program. We'll have Walton and Levert returning next year, with the possibility of GR3 and Mcgary as well. You guys may have backups like Lee and Hawkins returning, but we both know those guys will likely be passed up by the new stud recruits coming in. Cal literally has a new team every year, and that hurts team chemistry. Well Michigan had 5 seniors graduate last year, so of course we're young. Like, I said though, we have key pieces returning. NBA coaches can't do that because every team in the league are generally on par athletically with each other. Of course some NBA teams are more talented than others, but you get my point.
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Post by Morkim on Apr 6, 2014 15:57:44 GMT -5
It depends how you define coincidence. He recruits the best players, and sometimes those high profile players have baggage. Camby hired an agent early. Took money from them. Calipari's fault? Yeah, ok. Rose cheated his grades in high school. Did Calipari know? Hard to say, but it's not like this hasn't happened else where. Nothing has really come from ANY of the Kentucky recruits. And people ask, "Well if he doesn't cheat, how does he get all those players??" He gets results. They get paid. And people who bash the recruiting style are insane. So, given the choice, you'd rather recruit the three star guy who could develop in 4 years than the 5 star guy who's already a solid player? And it's not like he doesn't recruit some players who carry over. He's had at least one carry over every year at Kentucky. This current class will probably have people like Lee, Hawkins and Johnson returning. And really, have you seen Michigan's roster? Lots of seniors and juniors right? And if you don't like his in game coaching, well. You don't really get how it works. It takes a lot of work and teaching and coaching to get new players to play something other than AAU ball every year. Calipari's teams are usually very very sound on defense. Do you think freshmen walk in who were stars on their respective basketball teams and said "Yeah, I wanna commit to defense" ? I've heard the "He just rolls a ball out on the court and watches them play" A lot. But then if that's the case, I don't see why NBA coaches are meaningful at all. I mean, does Popovich really do anything? Just because they are talented ball players doesn't mean the man isn't great at the X's and O's. As I was finishing writing this, I figured I'd never change your mind. So I'm going to stop there. /end Rant. I'll actually give you the Marcus Camby thing, but the Derrick Rose scandal just screams shadiness. Rose failed the ACT three times in his hometown of Chicago, but then he went to Detroit (conveniently, which is where William Wesley lives) to take the SAT and he immediately passed? Given how closely Wesley and Calipari's work together, it's easy to connect the dots from there. Then there's the whole thing with Eric Bledsoe. Once again, I know Cal was never indicted of anything, but come on. Supposedly Bledsoe only had a 1.9 GPA after his junior year. Yet after his senior year, it was a 2.5. He also got an A in biology class his senior year, which is a class he also took his soph year and came away with a D. But wait, there's more! Bledsoe also maintained an A in Algebra 2 and 3, which were classes he failed the first time around. If that doesn't look shady to you, I'm not sure what does. Where there is smoke, there's fire. Cal has never been charged with anything, but it's quite suspicious how violations of his players seem to follow him everywhere he goes. Given that Burke, Hardaway, Levert, and GR3 (a couple others too) were 3 stars or lower, yes, I would. Lol seriously though, that's not what I meant. It's just good to have continuity within your program. We'll have Walton and Levert returning next year, with the possibility of GR3 and Mcgary as well. You guys may have backups like Lee and Hawkins returning, but we both know those guys will likely be passed up by the new stud recruits coming in. Cal literally has a new team every year, and that hurts team chemistry. Well Michigan had 5 seniors graduate last year, so of course we're young. Like, I said though, we have key pieces returning. NBA coaches can't do that because every team in the league are generally on par athletically with each other. Of course some NBA teams are more talented than others, but you get my point. You're making assumptions with the Rose and Bledsoe things. I can see why you could draw those conclusions, but it's hardly fair to call Calipari shady for that. Lee is actually a McDonald all American. So I think he has a good chance to start next year. Hawkins got quite a few minutes all things considered. Yeah, you have the possibility of keeping them. But in all honesty kentucky had the possibility of keeping the twins, young(unlikely), WCS, poythress, and the bench. Randle is pretty much the only lock to leave. Everyone else is up in the air. I didn't think Terrance Jones would stay after his freshman year, but he did. And maybe I'm just wrong. I dunno, maybe continuality is overrated. 4 final 8s in 5 years, 3 final 4s in 4 years etc.
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Post by MarchingOn on Apr 6, 2014 16:02:27 GMT -5
Morkim Yeah, it's hard to bash him too much because he is having success on the court. I just don't like the philosophy. He seems to be able to make it work though.
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Post by Morkim on Apr 6, 2014 16:07:11 GMT -5
Morkim Yeah, it's hard to bash him too much because he is having success on the court. I just don't like the philosophy. He seems to be able to make it work though. I think his success on the court is exactly why he's bashed so much If he was a loser, I bet no one would care. I'm just saying, there's no reason to hate UK any more than other big programs like Duke or NC. Other than they are being successful lately.
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Post by Jancey on Apr 6, 2014 18:01:06 GMT -5
Arky > UK
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Post by 101mitch on Apr 6, 2014 20:25:38 GMT -5
I hate Calipari. He is a cheater and a below average coach. All he can do is get good players by cheating.
Can't wait til he leaves UK and the FF/Championship gets taken away.
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Post by 101mitch on Apr 6, 2014 20:26:52 GMT -5
Btw- I am bias and ignorant. Not looking for a debate, even though I am probably wrong
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Post by Morkim on Apr 6, 2014 21:03:05 GMT -5
I hate Calipari. He is a cheater and a below average coach. All he can do is get good players by cheating. Can't wait til he leaves UK and the FF/Championship gets taken away. U mad about 2012 brah?
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