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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2014 18:58:13 GMT -5
I had mentioned conspiracy and Jeff asked me to tell him one. And what makes you think an online site can't pick what card they give on the river or anywhere else. And I understand the difference between inside and outside and flush draws.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2014 19:38:51 GMT -5
@jeffb2865 Here's what they do. They have "schills" People who play who work for them. They can throw them the cards they need at any time. I have noticed that every time I need a card, like lets say a jack for an inside straight, someone will bet high enough to make me fold before the river card. Everyone else has folded. I fold. They show you the card you would have gotten on the river. It's always the jack. I would have gotten an inside straight draw. That prompts you to go for it more often. Stuff like that. Its a no win situation, because its run by foreigners that don't have any regulations. I think I'm pretty good at knowing the game and can win if its fair. But you can't beat cheaters. I've had more bad beats in online poker than is mathematically possible. If that prompts you to go for it more often, then you're a donkey or a fish, and shouldn't be playing. Or pick up a decent book or two. You probably haven't been playing long enough to see that a few 'jack' incidents were strictly coincidental. An inside straight is half the odds of an outside one, which is still not good. 4 out of 46 = 1 in 11.5, very roughly a 9% chance of hitting. If you have a flush draw, preferably 2 in your hand or the ace if 3 are on the table, you have another 8 outs (not 9, you can't count your jack twice). but I wouldn't call a minimum bet on an inside straight, and outside is questionable, depends on how many are in the hand to sweeten the pot (aka 'pot odds'). There may be 'shills' in the sense of collusion, but IDT it's ever been proven that river or any cards can be predetermined. They are somewhat self-regulated in a sense, but a lot of pros play there, and people with all kinds of player tracking software. (That's why Bovada got rid of usernames and assigns you a number at the table, not gonna get into specifics here). Then you come here and enlist @jeffb2865 to fuel your conspiracy theories. haha and I didn't mean it prompts me to play different, I meant people in general. I know the math also. The odds of getting that jack are 12=1. Start watching and keeping track. I'd say its more like 2 or 3 to 1. I'm just saying I don't really trust online sites. And I doubt if Pro's are playing on the five dollar sit n goes. I have a question for ya Divebitch If you are the small blind early in the game and your blind is 10 chips. Everyone folds and its your turn. You have a oh lets say a 5 and 7 unsuited. Do you call with ten chips or fold?
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Post by Divebitch on Mar 4, 2014 21:28:58 GMT -5
haha and I didn't mean it prompts me to play different, I meant people in general. I know the math also. The odds of getting that jack are 12=1. Start watching and keeping track. I'd say its more like 2 or 3 to 1. I'm just saying I don't really trust online sites. And I doubt if Pro's are playing on the five dollar sit n goes. I have a question for ya Divebitch If you are the small blind early in the game and your blind is 10 chips. Everyone folds and its your turn. You have a oh lets say a 5 and 7 unsuited. Do you call with ten chips or fold? People in general, eh? Okay, yeah sure, I know that's what you meant. It's actually 11.5 to 1, as 6 cards (that are not Js) are already out of the deck. But anyway, are you saying that the J come 3 to 1 on the river, or only when you need it? lol And I know pros aren't at the cheap tables. That's why they'd never rig a cheap table. Not sure what you mean though. That the software knows what you have? Or the 'shill' is a real person, nota bot, and is dealing, knows what you have, and is overriding the software? IDK who they they got playing at Bovada. The top REAL PROS in the world used to play at Full Tilt and Stars. The whole landscape of that scene has changed, but anyway...Would not be paranoid about Sit N Gos. There are 9 people at a table, not just you. IDK exactly what kinda info you think this 'shill' has, how he gets his info, what info he has about the rest of the table, and what cards he can control. To my knowledge, it's never been proven, enen in a scandal or 2, that anyone could see your cards. On your 5-7 OS (off suit) SB hypothetical, the most commonly accepted strategy is to fold. Or you can raise depending on 1) your read on your opponent if any and 2) your vs. his/her chip counts 3) how big the blinds are compared to your stack, are you on the bubble, stuff like that. Most people will say don't call, but I might do it occasionally, depending.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 5, 2014 0:13:43 GMT -5
Dive I used the jack as an example. What I mean is any thing you would need to totally improve your hand, no matter how long the odds is what they show. It's not a big deal just something I have noticed.
And the 5 7 OC situation I said early in game with 10 20 blinds. I always call for ten chips. I get to see the flop if the check and only lose ten if they raise, which they rarely do. Ive already got ten in, so why not? I've won lots of hands that way. They can easily flop a five and a seven or a six eight nine. Later in the game when the blinds are high and I'm on the button, if I have two face cards and everyone has folded I raise enough to make em fold and steal the blinds. Works most of the time. If they call I still have a shot.
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Post by Divebitch on Mar 5, 2014 11:49:28 GMT -5
Dive I used the jack as an example. What I mean is any thing you would need to totally improve your hand, no matter how long the odds is what they show. It's not a big deal just something I have noticed. And the 5 7 OC situation I said early in game with 10 20 blinds. I always call for ten chips. I get to see the flop if the check and only lose ten if they raise, which they rarely do. Ive already got ten in, so why not? I've won lots of hands that way. They can easily flop a five and a seven or a six eight nine. Later in the game when the blinds are high and I'm on the button, if I have two face cards and everyone has folded I raise enough to make em fold and steal the blinds. Works most of the time. If they call I still have a shot. Sorry my bad, glossed over it and missed the early 10-20 blinds. A few things... At that point you don't have a read on your opponents. But the BB can look at a call a number of ways... main one that you have nothing, and that you would raise if anything better than a smallish pair, a Q-10, suited connectors - and that you would probably fold if he raised (not always true of course). And I disagree that they rarely raise your call. I find they'll do it roughly 1/4 to 1/3 of the time. Some will do it half the time, but with no read, it's worth a call. It also gives you a very preliminary read on the BB. But truth is, you don't know if he has 8-6 or KK. Happens to me all the time in the BB, you get AA, and only the SB calls, and you don't wanna scare him off by raising much, but I digress. OR he might let you call, but he's probably got better cards than you. If you fold, you are building up good will for the future - that you won't raise him later unless you really have something. At any rate, I agree good to call for the same reasons you mentioned. You have no reads, neither does the BB, and you never know what you might hit. But if he raises, you obviously HAVE to fold, no biggie at 10-20. EDIT: Oh, on the card you would have hit, no I haven't noticed that. It usually turned out it was a good fold. I just think it particularly stings when you folded something you would've hit, so you remember it more cuz you're pissed. lol
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2014 21:58:27 GMT -5
baaaaahaahaa. I just played a ten dollar double up sit n go. Six player table and all ya gotta do is come in third.
Bovada must be on to my conspiracy theory's cuz the worst hand I got was a Ace high flush. LOL. Exagerating maybe a little but I swear every hand was killer. When there were four players left, I let them play, I had six times as many chips as the next guy. They weren't giving it up so I had to take the fourth guy out with my four of a kind. NEVER had so many killer hands in a row. That was fun. Going back in.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2014 18:11:52 GMT -5
I'm still scorching em. Won five sit n goes in a row. It helps when you get four of kind, full houses, etc. The cards are in my favor right now. It's almost embarrassing
No one stands a chance. I am slaughtering em.
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Post by Morkim on Mar 10, 2014 18:15:04 GMT -5
I'm still scorching em. Won five sit n goes in a row. It helps when you get four of kind, full houses, etc. The cards are in my favor right now. It's almost embarrassing No one stands a chance. I am slaughtering em. Maybe you're the Schill.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2014 18:28:22 GMT -5
I'm still scorching em. Won five sit n goes in a row. It helps when you get four of kind, full houses, etc. The cards are in my favor right now. It's almost embarrassing No one stands a chance. I am slaughtering em. Maybe you're the Schill. haha I don't need no stinking help. I'm king of the River. whaaaaaaaaaEeeeeeeeWooooo. Going back in. Might up the steaks. (or is that what they want and then they cut me off at the knees?)
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Post by Divebitch on Mar 10, 2014 19:19:30 GMT -5
I'm still scorching em. Won five sit n goes in a row. It helps when you get four of kind, full houses, etc. The cards are in my favor right now. It's almost embarrassing No one stands a chance. I am slaughtering em. Maybe you're the Schill. Yup, yup. Embarrassing now, in a worse way tomorrow.
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