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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2013 21:47:19 GMT -5
Ya know...AP really cant do that either as evident of 2013. There is only 3 that I can think of that carried their team as a RB...One Jim Brown,One Walter Payton and One Eric Dickerson
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Post by plax on Dec 16, 2013 21:47:30 GMT -5
does not really matter. if you do not agree with my view, fine. we debated for well over an hour yesterday about it and would have no problem continuing it. but taking unnecessary jabs at my view because someone doesn't agree with it? seriously? he had a very good week, but as I stated yesterday, I do not knee-jerk, and this week's performance is not changing anything, because I know that he is capable of doing that. You're right plax - it was kinda of douchy of me, and I apologize...but I must ask.. What would it take for Charles to prove he's a top 5 RB to you? Even with a totally incompetent QB in Matt Cassel, the defense only having to worry about Charles, he still put up monster numbers...but you say he's not a top 5 RB because he couldn't carry his team to a better record than 2-14. I understand AP had a QB who wasn't a whole lot better, but a RB can rarely solely carry a team like a QB can. AP was the exception. It was made clear yesterday what it took to be a top 5 RB in the league - being able to do it all as well as being someone that can get his team back in the game. AP does it. McCoy does it. Rice does it (queue the 'Rice sucks'). Lynch does it. Jackson, MJD, Morris, Forte - they do it. Charles is limited in what he can provide to his team. He is a premier pass-catching RB. He has world-class speed. He is not a reliable blocker at all. He cannot run up the middle effectively. Contain the edge with your DEs and crash with your DTs, and Charles can be stopped. Alex Smith has helped more than anyone could imagine, especially considering when Smith is a good runner in his own regard. I never had Charles as a top 5 RB. Yes, I know he has consistently been great in rushing yards, but it is not all about stats. He doesn't seem to help his team win like the others do (yesterday was certainly interesting for Charles, however).
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Post by 101mitch on Dec 16, 2013 22:24:46 GMT -5
You're right plax - it was kinda of douchy of me, and I apologize...but I must ask.. What would it take for Charles to prove he's a top 5 RB to you? Even with a totally incompetent QB in Matt Cassel, the defense only having to worry about Charles, he still put up monster numbers...but you say he's not a top 5 RB because he couldn't carry his team to a better record than 2-14. I understand AP had a QB who wasn't a whole lot better, but a RB can rarely solely carry a team like a QB can. AP was the exception. It was made clear yesterday what it took to be a top 5 RB in the league - being able to do it all as well as being someone that can get his team back in the game. AP does it. McCoy does it. Rice does it (queue the 'Rice sucks'). Lynch does it. Jackson, MJD, Morris, Forte - they do it. Charles is limited in what he can provide to his team. He is a premier pass-catching RB. He has world-class speed. He is not a reliable blocker at all. He cannot run up the middle effectively. Contain the edge with your DEs and crash with your DTs, and Charles can be stopped. Alex Smith has helped more than anyone could imagine, especially considering when Smith is a good runner in his own regard. I never had Charles as a top 5 RB. Yes, I know he has consistently been great in rushing yards, but it is not all about stats. He doesn't seem to help his team win like the others do (yesterday was certainly interesting for Charles, however). I really see where you are coming from. I agree TBH. 5 TDs isn't enough for 3 quarters. That didn't help the team. It was all Alex Smith and his running. And I can't discount our top Oline. Alright if you couldn't tell, that was ALL sarcasm. Everything you are saying is complete bs. "Contain the edge with your DEs and crash with your DTs, and Charles can be stopped." Well then great. Why didn't that work last year?? Charles was our whole team last year. Charles wasn't stopped. Tell me this; Why does Steven Jackson get marked as team carrier? You knock Charles for a TEAMS bad season, but you then say another bad teams RB is better, and you don't mark him down for that!! Alfred Morris!??! LAFF! Good think you don't knee jerk. Why isn't Morris discounted for his teams crappiness? Why is Charles's team held to a much higher standard? And Rice does suck.
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Post by 101mitch on Dec 16, 2013 22:29:29 GMT -5
(Paraphrasing as best I remember) Plax - All of you guys knee jerk. You drop Rice for one bad season. Plax - Alfred Morris is a top 10 RB.
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Post by plax on Dec 16, 2013 22:35:30 GMT -5
It was made clear yesterday what it took to be a top 5 RB in the league - being able to do it all as well as being someone that can get his team back in the game. AP does it. McCoy does it. Rice does it (queue the 'Rice sucks'). Lynch does it. Jackson, MJD, Morris, Fortei - they do it. Charles is limited in what he can provide to his team. He is a premier pass-catching RB. He has world-class speed. He is not a reliable blocker at all. He cannot run up the middle effectively. Contain the edge with your DEs and crash with your DTs, and Charles can be stopped. Alex Smith has helped more than anyone could imagine, especially considering when Smith is a good runner in his own regard. I never had Charles as a top 5 RB. Yes, I know he has consistently been great in rushing yards, but it is not all about stats. He doesn't seem to help his team win like the others do (yesterday was certainly interesting for Charles, however). I really see where you are coming from. I agree TBH. 5 TDs isn't enough for 3 quarters. That didn't help the team. It was all Alex Smith and his running. And I can't discount our top Oline. Alright if you couldn't tell, that was ALL sarcasm. Everything you are saying is complete bs. "Contain the edge with your DEs and crash with your DTs, and Charles can be stopped." Well then great. Why didn't that work last year?? Charles was our whole team last year. Charles wasn't stopped. Tell me this; Why does Steven Jackson get marked as team carrier? You knock Charles for a TEAMS bad season, but you then say another bad teams RB is better, and you don't mark him down for that!! Alfred Morris!??! LAFF! Good think you don't knee jerk. Why isn't Morris discounted for his teams crappiness? Why is Charles's team held to a much higher standard? And Rice does suck. I said in my last sentence that this past game for Charles was different, but I guess you can ignore that. So Charles was your whole team last year you say? How did tha work out for KC? Jackson had absolutely no one but he was able to carry the team when needed. How is it knee jerking on Morris? Ever since I saw him last year, I thought he would be special, and he is. And I explained the WSH thing like three times yesterday. Morris lights teams up, but Griffin can't stand it and tries to outshine him. This year, Griffin had failed, and as a result, WSH is down late in games and they are forced to pass the ball.
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Post by plax on Dec 16, 2013 22:39:06 GMT -5
(Paraphrasing as best I remember) Plax - All of you guys knee jerk. You drop Rice for one bad season. Plax - Alfred Morris is a top 10 RB. Are you clueless with the term knee jerk? Saying Morris is a top 10 RB is not knee jerking if I have had him there since last year when I saw him play. And I wish there was a way to see everyone's rankings from two or three years ago to show everyone how they most likely had him top 3. YOU saying Rice sucks for one bad year after great ones in which he was a top RB, I'd knee jerking.
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Post by 101mitch on Dec 16, 2013 22:39:19 GMT -5
I really see where you are coming from. I agree TBH. 5 TDs isn't enough for 3 quarters. That didn't help the team. It was all Alex Smith and his running. And I can't discount our top Oline. Alright if you couldn't tell, that was ALL sarcasm. Everything you are saying is complete bs. "Contain the edge with your DEs and crash with your DTs, and Charles can be stopped." Well then great. Why didn't that work last year?? Charles was our whole team last year. Charles wasn't stopped. Tell me this; Why does Steven Jackson get marked as team carrier? You knock Charles for a TEAMS bad season, but you then say another bad teams RB is better, and you don't mark him down for that!! Alfred Morris!??! LAFF! Good think you don't knee jerk. Why isn't Morris discounted for his teams crappiness? Why is Charles's team held to a much higher standard? And Rice does suck. I said in my last sentence that this past game for Charles was different, but I guess you can ignore that. So Charles was your whole team last year you say? How did tha work out for KC? Jackson had absolutely no one but he was able to carry the team when needed. How is it knee jerking on Morris? Ever since I saw him last year, I thought he would be special, and he is. And I explained the WSH thing like three times yesterday. Morris lights teams up, but Griffin can't stand it and tries to outshine him. This year, Griffin had failed, and as a result, WSH is down late in games and they are forced to pass the ball. It worked terribly. And it is completely knee jerking. You refuse to drop Rice, but you jump Morris to top 10 for 1 season?
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Post by Morkim on Dec 16, 2013 22:45:45 GMT -5
I really see where you are coming from. I agree TBH. 5 TDs isn't enough for 3 quarters. That didn't help the team. It was all Alex Smith and his running. And I can't discount our top Oline. Alright if you couldn't tell, that was ALL sarcasm. Everything you are saying is complete bs. "Contain the edge with your DEs and crash with your DTs, and Charles can be stopped." Well then great. Why didn't that work last year?? Charles was our whole team last year. Charles wasn't stopped. Tell me this; Why does Steven Jackson get marked as team carrier? You knock Charles for a TEAMS bad season, but you then say another bad teams RB is better, and you don't mark him down for that!! Alfred Morris!??! LAFF! Good think you don't knee jerk. Why isn't Morris discounted for his teams crappiness? Why is Charles's team held to a much higher standard? And Rice does suck. I said in my last sentence that this past game for Charles was different, but I guess you can ignore that. So Charles was your whole team last year you say? How did tha work out for KC? Jackson had absolutely no one but he was able to carry the team when needed. How is it knee jerking on Morris? Ever since I saw him last year, I thought he would be special, and he is. And I explained the WSH thing like three times yesterday. Morris lights teams up, but Griffin can't stand it and tries to outshine him. This year, Griffin had failed, and as a result, WSH is down late in games and they are forced to pass the ball. Jackson carries his team when needed? Has he ever made the playoffs? The Rams have been terrible with him in the backfield for years. And Charles had -nothing- to work with last year. 20 interceptions. I lost track of the fumbles. If an opposing team is going to get short fields every possession, the RB can not carry the team. Putting Morris top 10 after one season is the very definition of knee jerking. Blaming Griffin for this years failings but saying Charles is at fault for not carrying the team last year is a joke Plax. RGIII is not nearly as bad this year as the Chiefs QBs last year.
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Post by plax on Dec 16, 2013 22:46:18 GMT -5
I said in my last sentence that this past game for Charles was different, but I guess you can ignore that. So Charles was your whole team last year you say? How did tha work out for KC? Jackson had absolutely no one but he was able to carry the team when needed. How is it knee jerking on Morris? Ever since I saw him last year, I thought he would be special, and he is. And I explained the WSH thing like three times yesterday. Morris lights teams up, but Griffin can't stand it and tries to outshine him. This year, Griffin had failed, and as a result, WSH is down late in games and they are forced to pass the ball. It worked terribly. And it is completely knee jerking. You refuse to drop Rice, but you jump Morris to top 10 for 1 season? Dude, you have no clue what knee jerking is lol. I refuse to drop Rice because I know what he can do and HAS done. He is having a bad year, not gonna drop him. I never jumped Morris anywhere. Right when I saw him play I put him there. That is not knee jerking, that is having to watch him play to get an idea of guys style. Is it one jerking to call Luck a top 10 QB? HE BE ONLY PLAY ONE YEAR YO!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2013 23:00:51 GMT -5
Ya'll are arguing a mute point. Rb's cant carry teams these days. Those days are long gone.
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