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Post by Divebitch on Sept 11, 2013 21:20:21 GMT -5
Everyone is a Pryor Hater around here Shaggz, don't know why...he's Cam newton 2.0, same Height but 10 lbs lighter and faster than Cam. People forget Pryor was great a Ohio St. The #1 recruit out of HS but since he's not a prototype white QB people hate on him. I always liked the pick up by Oakland. You needn't bring race into it. As a whitey, I never doubted for a minute that RG3 would be great. On every level, especially as a leader, he seemed more intelligent and articulate than 80% of the QBs out there, who are uh...maybe 80% white? Geno, for too many reasons to get into, I never got that from Day 1 with his nervous, rehearsed 'all the right things' interviews. I hope he proves me wrong, but in my eyes, he had 'bust' written all over him almost immediately. There is just no comparing the 2 if I knew noting about either upon 1st sight. Pryor a Cam Newton 2.0? Just a little lighter? Was he a first overall pick? Despite possible personality and off-field issues? Cam is fast enough. We're talking QB, not WR, they don't have to be fast.
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Post by Shaggzfate on Sept 11, 2013 21:43:27 GMT -5
Divebitch - Pryor has the talent to be a mobile qb, that's never been a question. Yes his accuracy could be a hell of a lot better, but he opens things up with his feet making the defense stop. It won't work as well in the NFL as it did in NCAA I know that, but it's still an attribute he has. He can make a game plan go to dust because when the play falls apart he plays like a sandlot game, which helps us immensely. The biggest issue had been his attitude, and after being suspended and having to work for his start, it seems to have quelled his immaturity. He's acting like you want your starting QB to act, and taking the blame for the team on himself, making him a strong leader. Of course he did make his mistakes, but he wasn't the only reason we lost. EDIT: This is why I'm happiest about him, he's doing something we've sorely needed sense Gannon, and that's having a guy come in and act like a quarterback instead of just playing the position. I hope it continues, I know it's only week 1, but it's a good sight for way past sore eyes.
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Post by EagleDomiKnation on Sept 11, 2013 22:29:24 GMT -5
Everyone is a Pryor Hater around here Shaggz, don't know why...he's Cam newton 2.0, same Height but 10 lbs lighter and faster than Cam. People forget Pryor was great a Ohio St. The #1 recruit out of HS but since he's not a prototype white QB people hate on him. I always liked the pick up by Oakland. You needn't bring race into it. As a whitey, I never doubted for a minute that RG3 would be great. On every level, especially as a leader, he seemed more intelligent and articulate than 80% of the QBs out there, who are uh...maybe 80% white? Geno, for too many reasons to get into, I never got that from Day 1 with his nervous, rehearsed 'all the right things' interviews. I hope he proves me wrong, but in my eyes, he had 'bust' written all over him almost immediately. There is just no comparing the 2 if I knew noting about either upon 1st sight. Pryor a Cam Newton 2.0? Just a little lighter? Was he a first overall pick? Despite possible personality and off-field issues? Cam is fast enough. We're talking QB, not WR, they don't have to be fast. If Pryor would have stayed at Ohio St who knows how high he could have been drafted. Pryor was pretty damn good at Ohio St. Speed does matter in alot of cases..Pryor had 100+yds rushing on Sunday...a slow qb would have had to throw it away or take a sack. Crackerass cracker
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Post by plax on Sept 11, 2013 23:08:37 GMT -5
Raiders are dirty in Madden 25, though Just whooped CAR with them. === In all seriousness though, I actually like OAK this year. I see them being in EVERY game. Pryor is just amazing on the ground, and add in DMC, it will benefit everyone. One, DMC will not have to carry the "load" on the ground, as Pryor can put up 100 yards if he wants, as we saw week 1. Pryor is a better PASSER than we give him credit for. However, he DOES have to improve. Branch, Woodson, Hayden, and Houston, among others, are TALENTED players on defense. They definitely need some guys there to fill it out nicely, but there seems to be a direction in which they want to go in, and I see envision it working out. I might go on to say that OAK will NOT place 4th in their division this year. That is all I will say
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Post by cantonhall34 on Sept 11, 2013 23:34:35 GMT -5
You needn't bring race into it. As a whitey, I never doubted for a minute that RG3 would be great. On every level, especially as a leader, he seemed more intelligent and articulate than 80% of the QBs out there, who are uh...maybe 80% white? Geno, for too many reasons to get into, I never got that from Day 1 with his nervous, rehearsed 'all the right things' interviews. I hope he proves me wrong, but in my eyes, he had 'bust' written all over him almost immediately. There is just no comparing the 2 if I knew noting about either upon 1st sight. Pryor a Cam Newton 2.0? Just a little lighter? Was he a first overall pick? Despite possible personality and off-field issues? Cam is fast enough. We're talking QB, not WR, they don't have to be fast. If Pryor would have stayed at Ohio St who knows how high he could have been drafted. Pryor was pretty damn good at Ohio St. Speed does matter in alot of cases..Pryor had 100+yds rushing on Sunday...a slow qb would have had to throw it away or take a sack. Crackerass cracker I love your perspective on things Eagle. Seriously I mean that, even when you and I disagree things (Vick, etc). I will say that by now you should know that most (if not all) of us here on the forums with ya don't care about what a player looks like. If he's a good guy and worthy of being called a great player, then he is, regardless of whatever his appearance might be. Pryor was a great player in college because he had a lot of good players around him and he had great physical ability, not really because he was a great QB. I've not seen anything yet that means he can be a great player at the NFL level but it's too early for that, so let's give him some time. The white/black thing is a total non-issue. So no, I'm not "hating" (at all in fact) on Pryor for any other reason than his history and game and that it's WAAYY too soon for any kind of intelligent judgement on his NFL future. Is he capable of changing my mind on all that? Sure, but one good game or one good season doesn't work. It's gonna have to be CONSISTENTLY GOOD performance. I mean come on, Scott Frickin' Mitchell (if people remember him) had a couple of good seasons too, and I never thought he was all that great. Until Pryor proves otherwise I will continue to believe that he's an ATHLETE that plays QB instead of a QB that is also a great ATHLETE. In the NFL you have to be the QB FIRST. Steve Young took a while to figure that out. Warren Moon did too. Those are two HOFers that in the beginning of their careers were athletes that happened to be QBs, and later figured out that on the professional level - a QB wins, not the ATHLETE playing QB. I also agree with Dive on RG3. I think HE has all the appearances of a guy that can be a GREAT QB, though it's still too early on in his career to make that call yet.
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Post by Divebitch on Sept 12, 2013 6:55:59 GMT -5
Shaggzfate - I know nothing about the guy, not on my radar, neither are the Raiders hehe, but thanks for educating me. My only point was that it's ridiculous to say it's a race issue. If Pryor would have stayed at Ohio St who knows how high he could have been drafted. Pryor was pretty damn good at Ohio St. Speed does matter in alot of cases..Pryor had 100+yds rushing on Sunday...a slow qb would have had to throw it away or take a sack. Crackerass cracker Didn't say fast is not good, just that a QB doesn't have to be. Fast > slow, makes you more dangerous. But you don't need anything close to RG3 or Michael Vick speed to be an effective QB if you got the other qualities the position requires. And it's 'Ms. Triscuit' to you.
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Post by steelers54 on Sept 12, 2013 9:04:43 GMT -5
It will take some time to correct the mistakes made by Big AL, he passed on a lot of talent and went for speed. Sure Pryor needs some talent around him, and with time and smart moves in the draft/fa/ or trades they will get better. The main thing is the front office people knew what they had was not the answer and have taken the steps to correct it. Pryor is young and does need to improve,hopefully in time he will. I liked what D.McFadden had to say when they asked him about his QB, one positive for Pryor at this point is that he stepped up and took leadership of this team and the guys believe in him and that for now he gives them their best shot at winning.
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Post by Shaggzfate on Sept 12, 2013 10:58:14 GMT -5
steelers54 - I hate what happened to Al at the end. He got into win now mode back in the early 2000's and stayed in that mode ever since. He didn't want to rebuild, he just kept trying to patch a team together year after year, making us worse and worse. His legacy will remain untarnished due to that, once these younger kids take time to learn the history of the NFL and the Raiders anyways. Pryor is still really rough, and barring a 100 ypg rushing average every game there is little chance he'll even be though of for the probowl or any other post season activity. But that's not what matters right now. What matters is the fire, the intangibles he brings. His form still needs a lot of work, but he gives us the best shot to win now, and brings our team a live. Just need DMC to get out of his slump already.
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Post by Morkim on Sept 13, 2013 21:16:44 GMT -5
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Post by Shaggzfate on Sept 14, 2013 1:19:14 GMT -5
I'm happy about this, he's one of the people that deserve it most, now they just need to involve him alot more, and with Pryor at the helm he'd be the perfect candidate to run the flat routes cause he'll burn the d in a heart beat.
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