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Post by cityofchamps on Apr 29, 2013 11:34:37 GMT -5
For the people that don't like Landry Jones, I see your point, but at the same time, you need to look at his strengths and what he will be asked to do from the Steelers point of view. From what I have seen from him and heard about him, when he gets into a rhythm, he can be deadly accurate. Sure he can be a bit panicky at times under pressure, but he will have a lot of time to develop. He also has a VERY strong arm and a prototypical NFL body. He has the measureables and physical tools you want from an NFL QB. All he needs to do is develop his reads and consistency. He will have plenty of time to do that under Ben and should get some playing experience early because of Ben's injuries. The only issue with this is that he is already 24 and by the time he would be able to push for the starting job he could be 27 or 28. The Steelers could end up trading him before that and getting a younger QB later on, but as a backup, this is a good selection.
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Post by EagleDomiKnation on Apr 29, 2013 11:56:22 GMT -5
Green bay, Seattle, and Denver, Baltimore Favs for the SB....no matter what anyone says. Replace Green Bay with San Francisco and Baltimore with Houston and you have your favorites. With GB run game shored up and Bmores Defense revamped with younger and arguably equally talented players, I disagree. Post Draft odds in Vegas have these four as tops as well. Denver #1 at 5-1 odds, Bmore at 8-1
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Post by cityofchamps on Apr 29, 2013 12:23:48 GMT -5
Replace Green Bay with San Francisco and Baltimore with Houston and you have your favorites. With GB run game shored up and Bmores Defense revamped with younger and arguably equally talented players, I disagree. Post Draft odds in Vegas have these four as tops as well. Denver #1 at 5-1 odds, Bmore at 8-1 You of all people should know that Free Agency doesn't make a team a Super Bowl contender, so Baltimore shouldn't be considered a favorite by any means. They are also replacing legends with rookies in one year. That also has some risks as well. As for GB, there was a reason three teams passed up on Eddie Lacy for other RBs (Gio, Bell, and Ball all went before Lacy). With Franklin, he has had issues with fumbles so that scared some teams off. The Packers took two RBs with significant risks.
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Post by TonOdanK on Apr 29, 2013 14:19:13 GMT -5
I'm surprised Landry Jones was drafted so early. He was unimpressive in Oklahoma I didn't like him at all. Hard to believe he was a projected first before the season started. I'm not sure why there was any hype around him at all. His stats look ok but if anyone has watched him play he's not that good, I knew he wouldn't be shortly after he replaced Bradford
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Post by TonOdanK on Apr 29, 2013 14:24:00 GMT -5
For the people that don't like Landry Jones, I see your point, but at the same time, you need to look at his strengths and what he will be asked to do from the Steelers point of view. From what I have seen from him and heard about him, when he gets into a rhythm, he can be deadly accurate. Sure he can be a bit panicky at times under pressure, but he will have a lot of time to develop. He also has a VERY strong arm and a prototypical NFL body. He has the measureables and physical tools you want from an NFL QB. All he needs to do is develop his reads and consistency. He will have plenty of time to do that under Ben and should get some playing experience early because of Ben's injuries. The only issue with this is that he is already 24 and by the time he would be able to push for the starting job he could be 27 or 28. The Steelers could end up trading him before that and getting a younger QB later on, but as a backup, this is a good selection. I'm not saying he's going to be a complete bust, but from what I've seen he's going to need a lot of work. Since he's going to be sitting behind Ben for a while that should give him a chance to potentially grow
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Post by EagleDomiKnation on Apr 29, 2013 15:19:55 GMT -5
With GB run game shored up and Bmores Defense revamped with younger and arguably equally talented players, I disagree. Post Draft odds in Vegas have these four as tops as well. Denver #1 at 5-1 odds, Bmore at 8-1 You of all people should know that Free Agency doesn't make a team a Super Bowl contender, so Baltimore shouldn't be considered a favorite by any means. They are also replacing legends with rookies in one year. That also has some risks as well. As for GB, there was a reason three teams passed up on Eddie Lacy for other RBs (Gio, Bell, and Ball all went before Lacy). With Franklin, he has had issues with fumbles so that scared some teams off. The Packers took two RBs with significant risks. Baltimores the defending champs...That has to count for Somthing...they lost old peices and added young peices. Not every team chokes in FA the way the 2011 Eagles did. If Green Bay had an average Running game...they would have probably went much farther in the playoffs. Lacy was and is still regarded the best RB in the class and Franklin only makes them that much better. We could argue all day about this i guess. Agree to disagree. I also think the Superbowl loss hangover will hit SF, and they will have Seattle to deal with who in my mind is now the big dog in that division.
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Post by steelersfan4life56 on Apr 30, 2013 16:38:27 GMT -5
Bell was a reach, especially when Lacy was available. Wheaton is a bit small, Ben needs a big threat. Landry was eh, better QBs available at the time. Never heard of Justin Brown. I would give you guys a B-. Solid guys, but no one strikes me as a steal or anything. Steelers had zero interest in Lacy. He has a fused toe which might hurt his cutting ability and explosiveness. Also Bell is the better overall back, he didn't have the best OL in college football (the opposite), pretty good hands, and a decent blocker. He will make Ben's life so much easier. I guess the Steelers just want small shifty WRs for the short passing game. Wheaton has the possibility to be the Steelers best WR in the future. The Steelers could have got a number or players instead of Landry, but we now have a young back up instead of injury prone Batch and Leftwich. Ben has to go from being the student under Batch and Leftwich to being the teacher for Landry. We also get a better camp arm and pontential trade bait in the future. Justin Brown was a productive WR from Penn State then transferred to Oklahoma. Seems like a solid character player and does the little things (he shows a lot of effort blocking). Potentiality a 3rd/4th WR.
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Post by steelersfan4life56 on Apr 30, 2013 16:41:57 GMT -5
C. Love Jarvis, but with the ? marks about his athleticism and Work ethic he scares me, Bell should have not been the pick, they should have went Lacy or Frankin, imo. I care more about Jones 10 yard split than his 40 time, he seems like he is focused and ready to work. He has already been working out with Ike Taylor and his trainer Tom Shaw, in other words Jones is going to come into camp in the best shape of his life. Lacy was removed from the Steelers draft board and Franklin was a one dimensional RB in college. Wasn't much of a receiver and not that great of a blocker, also had ball security concerns. Many people thought Bell was one of the top RBs in the class.
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Post by steelersfan4life56 on Apr 30, 2013 16:44:48 GMT -5
Undrafted Free Agents Omar Hunter, DT, Florida Ivory Wade, C, Baylor Luke Ingram, LS, Hawaii Ben Cotton, TE, Nebraska Mike Golic Jr, OT, Notre Dame Joe Madsen, C, West Virginia Brian Arnfelt, DE, Northwestern Alan Baxter, ILB, Northern Illinoise Nick Embernate, OG, San Diego State Reggie Dunn, WR, Utah Mike Farrell, OT, Penn State Cordian Hagans, DE, Louisiana-Lafayette Chris Hubbard, OG, UAB Curtis McNeil, RB, USC Anthony Rashad White, DT, Michigan State J.D. Woods, WR, West Virginia Love Anthony Rashard White's size. Ivory Wade has decent size. Nick Embernate may find a spot on the team dude looks very athletic, possibly Mike Golic as well. To me they set out to find athletic tallish offensive linemen that they can mold and develop as back ups.
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Post by steelersfan4life56 on Apr 30, 2013 16:58:01 GMT -5
it was a very solid and good draft. no surprise they took jarvis jones in the 1st round. markus wheaton might not be a mike wallace but he should be able to replace him in a year or two. the shamarko thomas pick was excellent. that was a complete steal the bell pick was horrible though. it was too much of a reach for only a 4th round grade player. same for landry jones. yeah they needed a QB but there were better options on the boards but i gotta give it a B because it all depends on your early picks, not your late picks final grade: B Bell wasn't making it out of the 2nd round a lot of teams had interest in him. The only other RB to be considered would have been Ball. With Bell they get a 21yo back that was the entire offense for his team and still produced greatly. His selection takes a lot of pressure off of Ben by bringing the run game back and being able to grind out and finish games by pounding the ball rather than risking an injury by passing the ball. Our redzone and short yardage offense gets a huge boost. Bell proved he can carry the load and be a multi-purpose back by being a solid receiver out of the backfield as well as a reliable blocker. Ben may have wanted a big WR but him and Bell will be BFFs soon enough.
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