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Post by MarchingOn on Apr 22, 2013 18:36:30 GMT -5
The best defense in the league gives up an average of 90 ppg
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Post by NickWorthem on Apr 22, 2013 20:49:11 GMT -5
Honestly, bud, it's the fact that we have all these rules that didn't exist pre-Jordan lockout, that give way to offensive ball. That, alongside the deterioration of the post-game, means that perimeter-oriented offenses will continue to score in bunches; stupid rule changes, admittedly. Hand-checking, for instance, is not detrimental (nor is face-guarding).
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Post by MarchingOn on Apr 22, 2013 20:59:14 GMT -5
I agree the rule changes are a part of the reason, but how hard is it to defend the perimeter? A simple 3-2 zone would kill most NBA teams today, yet I see nobody even attempt it.
And I especially agree with what you said about players not playing in the post anymore. This is part of why I love my Grizzlies so dearly. Gasol and Randolph are old school like that.
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Post by NickWorthem on Apr 22, 2013 21:07:34 GMT -5
A 3-2 zone, absolutely not against jump-shooters.
If your zone has to collapse into the paint, there is always an open shooter.
The Bulls man, with a few zone principles, works phenomenally at off-setting that. We will always play Jimmy Butler or Rip Hamilton, between the paint and corner shooter, in order to avoid that.
I love being a Bulls fan because we do stick to a man, but we don't get beat by corner threes.
I REALLY like Marc Gasol. When he was traded, to Memphis, I was the minority that said Memphis made an awesome move; he shows why. His box-score stats do not show it, but he is involved on every play. He could be called the main facilitator, on offense, and he IS never out of position, on defense.
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Post by MarchingOn on Apr 22, 2013 21:21:28 GMT -5
Woops. Looks like I've been wrong all this time. I've always thought that a 3-2 was meant to focus on perimeter defending, and that teams would use this against opponents that love to jack up threes. Looking at this picture, it seems like they have the perimeter covered.. I'll admit, I was skeptical when we traded Pau, but Marc is proving me wrong and I couldn't be happier about that. He is very fun to watch. Randolph is still my favorite player on the team though.
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Post by NickWorthem on Apr 22, 2013 21:24:51 GMT -5
Ideally, MO, that's the goal of the 3-2; you're absolutely right. It's why you see zones played in the NCAA, significantly more.
However, with the athleticism of the NBA, zone looks only work in sparing moments, because almost every perimeter player can drive. On the moment your perimeter defender is forced to switch, a high % 3 would be available. Your chart does not address this, but it is something that has to be accounted for. You cannot rely on your big men to guard 3-men, switching a perimeter guy to defend a big guy, is a huge mess.
If I am playing the Lakers, for instance, I would be comfortable playing a zone because they never play with more than two shooters. However, as a mainstay, it has not shown to work.
Tony Allen, bro, Tony Allen.
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Post by MarchingOn on Apr 22, 2013 21:37:10 GMT -5
Ok, that does make since. Admittedly I don't watch the NBA much, so I'm talking about this with a NCAA basketball mindset, where the majority of players aren't going pro. Unless you're Kentucky, that is. T.A. is great, and I respect him highly being that I am more of a defensive minded guy, but I just love Randolph. He has absolutely 0 hops, but still is one of the best offensive rebounders in the league. That's just awesome. I also love his fierceness. He doesn't back down to anybody, and he'll give you 100% every game. I mean Allen does this too, It also helps that he absolutely despises Blake Griffin. He almost gets in a fight with him every game lol. Fuck Griffin, that flopping POS. Has absolutely 0 offensive moves. Highly overrated, all he does is dunk. He's a solid rebounder too, but those things are really the only 2 things he actually does well, yet he is treated as one of the best PFs in the league. I'd take Randolph over Griffin anyday.
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Post by NickWorthem on Apr 22, 2013 21:40:07 GMT -5
I find Blake Griffin an awful player. He dunks and rebounds (on an awful rebounding team), but should credit his "Stardom" to the AMAZING CP3. He is, if we went by the real meaning of MVP, the MVP of the league.
Look at HOW much better he makes the players around him. I watch him play and I see a prime Jason Kidd (high praise since I call him the third best point TO ever play the game).
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Post by Jancey on Apr 22, 2013 21:42:15 GMT -5
Quiz time:
Why have there been so many rule changes in both basketball and football that allow games to go much higher in scoring than they used to?
Whoever gets the correct answer gets to choose their prize...(within reasonable bounds)
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Post by NickWorthem on Apr 22, 2013 21:42:51 GMT -5
Offense sells, people are too stupid to appreciate defense?
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