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Post by Jindred on Apr 10, 2013 23:19:34 GMT -5
Here is my question on the whole "The man has no say" thing.
If I help conceive a child and the women wants to get rid of it and I want to keep it that means I lose my kid? If she was a willing participant I have as much say as her it is partly my responsibility for getting her preggers so I should have a say whether or not my child is born. If that person doesn't want to be a mother that's one thing but what if they guy wants to be a father??
Hmm let me re-word what I had written here before. Its our fault that you get pregnant yet we have no say? We take the blame we are made to look like the bad guy if the woman gets pregnant yet if I am willing to be a father then I have no say? If the guy isn't going to stick around to be a father then yes by all rights he should shut the fuck up. But if I am a willing father than I have a say!
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Post by NickWorthem on Apr 10, 2013 23:27:11 GMT -5
Let me clarify, as my response seems very simple:
If the child is yours, there is a discussion to be had. On a policy level, men have absolutely no right.
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Post by cantonhall34 on Apr 10, 2013 23:35:41 GMT -5
its funny actually. a person will debate their point and you are correct. they will not admit they are wrong or looking at it from the wrong point of view, however I have witnessed first hand a person holding to a view on one forum and then on another forum arguing against what he once believed. so they do change they just dont tell you about it..its a pride thing Hell nah.. Not me. I'll admit I'm wrong. I was arguing with this guy about who is better between Walter Peyton and Barry Sanders (I was arguing in favor of Barry), and I'll admit it, I got destroyed in that debate. He convinced me Walter > Berry and I told him that. I've been in some of those Payton vs. Barry debates...never changed my mind on them however. (for the record - make mine Walt )
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Post by Shaggzfate on Apr 11, 2013 1:31:22 GMT -5
what if she is a meth head and gets pregnant 4 times a year? Is there exceptions to your view? We've exchanged our views on this early on, so no need to rehash the whole subject =P But in this case, I think the state needs to be able to take away someones child bearing rights by tying tubes (or vasectomies in the case of men who rape). Some one who uses it instead of condoms, birth control pills, or any of the other forms of contraceptives such as the morning after pill aren't physically or mentally responsible for raising a child.
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Post by Shaggzfate on Apr 11, 2013 4:33:36 GMT -5
Here is my question on the whole "The man has no say" thing. If I help conceive a child and the women wants to get rid of it and I want to keep it that means I lose my kid? If she was a willing participant I have as much say as her it is partly my responsibility for getting her preggers so I should have a say whether or not my child is born. If that person doesn't want to be a mother that's one thing but what if they guy wants to be a father?? Hmm let me re-word what I had written here before. Its our fault that you get pregnant yet we have no say? We take the blame we are made to look like the bad guy if the woman gets pregnant yet if I am willing to be a father then I have no say? If the guy isn't going to stick around to be a father then yes by all rights he should shut the fuck up. But if I am a willing father than I have a say! The Law in this respect needs to be changed if it's clear that the woman wants to relinquish her parental rights after birth. I say after, because to do so before is foolish as the bond of a mother and child is strengthened exponentially during birth and the moments after. If after all of this she still doesn't want the kids then the father should gain 100% custody. It should be a 50/50 decision in cases of non-rape, non-life threatening cases. I was, and am still 100% for it in the case of a woman who has been raped due to the extreme emotional and psychological torture she would be put threw to see a miniature version of her attacker for the rest of her life.
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Post by danb6177 on Apr 11, 2013 7:53:41 GMT -5
what if she is a meth head and gets pregnant 4 times a year? Is there exceptions to your view? We've exchanged our views on this early on, so no need to rehash the whole subject =P But in this case, I think the state needs to be able to take away someones child bearing rights by tying tubes (or vasectomies in the case of men who rape). Some one who uses it instead of condoms, birth control pills, or any of the other forms of contraceptives such as the morning after pill aren't physically or mentally responsible for raising a child. i gotta be honest im ignorant as to the stats. But I do wonder when we are talking about womens rights, how many women in this specific area deserve rights.How many women who get abortions get more than one? how many are criminals? how many are consenting adults that just made a mistake? how many are actual meth heads or hookers? how many are parents? how many were raped? I would not even try to say they do or dont as again i am ignorant to the stats. But I wonder, i do wonder. So Ill try hard not to make blanket statement saying just in the case of rape or all women deserve to say what happens with regards to there womb. I just dont know enough about it and wonder who here does
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Post by Shaggzfate on Apr 11, 2013 10:30:37 GMT -5
We've exchanged our views on this early on, so no need to rehash the whole subject =P But in this case, I think the state needs to be able to take away someones child bearing rights by tying tubes (or vasectomies in the case of men who rape). Some one who uses it instead of condoms, birth control pills, or any of the other forms of contraceptives such as the morning after pill aren't physically or mentally responsible for raising a child. i gotta be honest im ignorant as to the stats. But I do wonder when we are talking about womens rights, how many women in this specific area deserve rights.How many women who get abortions get more than one? how many are criminals? how many are consenting adults that just made a mistake? how many are actual meth heads or hookers? how many are parents? how many were raped? I would not even try to say they do or dont as again i am ignorant to the stats. But I wonder, i do wonder. So Ill try hard not to make blanket statement saying just in the case of rape or all women deserve to say what happens with regards to there womb. I just dont know enough about it and wonder who here does No one can fully know the right numbers for all of those. Nick might have a good idea for his area though. Then you have to take into account if they are highly into drugs, do they always tell the truth? Personally though, if a woman is that into drugs it's probably best they don't bring a child into the world to suffer.
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Post by danb6177 on Apr 11, 2013 10:46:30 GMT -5
Its a small thing I know, but 2 of my 5 children are adopted and where the children of drug familys on my wifes side. Im glad we were able to talk them out of abortion. It is sad that these kids had to suffer under their parents lack of care but they have good lives now.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2013 12:50:46 GMT -5
I have already given my point of view on this. It wont be swayed.
I agree with Craig and Dan...you can talk to you're blue in the face about what your views are to someone else who disagrees. Very rarely will you change their mind.
To me its very black and white. Murder is murder.
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Post by dremorius on Apr 11, 2013 17:17:51 GMT -5
I have already given my point of view on this. It wont be swayed. (...) To me its very black and white. Murder is murder. I understood everything that was said and do not intend to change anybody's opinion/view/beliefs. I'm curious and I would like to fully understand your position so may I ask you those questions ? From wich development stage does murder begins ? " When" is the limit ?
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