theWILLmckoy
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Post by theWILLmckoy on Oct 28, 2015 13:28:09 GMT -5
I'm just done judging people...we all have serious issues. GOD sees us all the same. I understand the media makes their dollars from things like this, but I feel like this is one of the main reason I don't wanna do journalism anymore. We worship athletes and condemn them as well. As if we're perfect and have it all together... Not all but most. GOD can forgive all though. Because he looks at the heart of a man. If someone has a broken spirit and contrite heart, they can be forgiven of anything. But I'ma stop preaching this morning cause this ain't the time or place It's been the time and place since yesterday. I held back saying, just walk away. But this is the proverbial straw. Most people DO judge. Those that profess not to the loudest are usually the biggest hypocrites. Thank God the powers that be we don't leave it to Jesus, Allah, Jehovah or whomever to absolve the evilest of sins, for as many times committed at whim. Even the idea of a confessional is ridiculous to me. Live with your guilt, become a better person - for yourself and society, not an unprovable god and afterlife. Some are more perfect than others. We don't all have serious issues. Like Mitch says, not all sins are created equal. You are what you choose to do. No excuses. For heinous oft-premeditated crimes involving torture/innocent victims/children resulting in death or even mutilation, I'd pull the trigger myself, maybe set them on fire 2 inches at a time. Go meet Jesus thou art in heaven today. 'God sees us as all the same AND he can forgive anything'. I don't get that part of Christianity. I won't believe in a god like that, one that thinks I'm not better than some scumbag who tortures and kills dogs, beats women and small children, rapes, mutilates, fucks up innocent people for life. And they can repent? 'I'm sorry I ruined your life - or took your life and devastated your loved ones' And they're just as good as me? Wait, they are better than me cuz they've accepted Jesus as their savior. There are a LOT of people who think that way - very twisted. I'll leave it at that and stop my own preaching. The fact that you cant forgive someone is your own personal dilemma. But it doesn't reflect the character of GOD. It's tough to grasp the concept of forgiveness for such ingregious acts because we're not GOD. We can not fathom his thoughts or ways as much as we try. The main thing people need to understand is that GOD is love! Not Hollywood love, not your homeboy love not lust but real, agape love! Secondly, the reason GOD can absolve and forgive someone is because of the propitiation of sin through Christ. He died in our place to deliver us from sin. The perfect lamb slain for the sin of man...I'm just so thankful to him for his love and grace because I don't deserve it. So Dive when GOD sees you, he sees his believed sons sacrifice. He sees a woman whom he crafted and created and has lived before she was even born. He see the blood sacrifice the atonement for the sins of the world and it allows him, a holy GOD to exercise mercy and grace...
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theWILLmckoy
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WE LIVE AS KINGS, BUT JESUS IS GOD! - Swoope
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Post by theWILLmckoy on Oct 28, 2015 13:32:12 GMT -5
No, I was stating what I thought was fact at the time. God, Buddha, and Allah say "if Hardy were an Eagle, Billy would be singing a different tune." Nah, I don't switch up bud...how I feel is how I feel. I told you this before...
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theWILLmckoy
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WE LIVE AS KINGS, BUT JESUS IS GOD! - Swoope
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Post by theWILLmckoy on Oct 28, 2015 13:33:34 GMT -5
The problem is we think we're justified to pass judgement, lol! The bible declares that our goodness is as filthy rags! In other words, everyone who thinks they're a "good" person is wrong. Even Jesus himself stop a man in his tracks when the man called him good. But it's all based on what you choose to believe. You may not throw a woman on a pile of guns, or beat YOUR child or get high and kill someone, but we all have our demons. We like to pretend that were better. We react mortified, of such horrible stories when the truth is one lie was enough to nail Christ to the cross. So no matter if you're a woman beater, alcoholic or you're addicted to pornography it's all sin. I am actually intrigued to keep this discussion going, however from the way it is heading I see it delving more into the theological side of things, which I am interested to discuss, but know where that usually ends. Sooo, I dunno if I wanna continue lol. Let's do it!
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Post by Divebitch on Oct 28, 2015 14:10:58 GMT -5
Wait, they are better than me cuz they've accepted Jesus as their savior. No one is saying that. and those who do are wrong. I'm no better than you because I've accepted Him. Just means I'm forgiven. Not really the thread to discuss this in, but seeing as how it's already going on here.... And mitch. Some sins are worse, yes, but if you're guilty of one, you're guilty of breaking the whole law. Someone who murdered someone vs someone who told one lie face the same fate without repentance is all will is saying really. With that said, I don't agree with will giving Hardy a pass because we can't judge. Saying he did a horrible thing and shouldn't be playing football isn't judging. It's saying he should face consequences for what he's done. No, you're not forgiven by anyone but yourself. So glad you do. No doubt all your damage was to people just like your twisted self who believe in the same forgiving god, and just say 'hey, everything happens for a reason, and God save his soul'. That is not for you or anyone else to assume. Me? Here's to a bullet to your face after a slow torturous death, and just be happy knowing you are forgiven and going straight to heaven. It's all good, right? BTW, I mean the general 'you', not anyone in particular. The fact that you cant forgive someone is your own personal dilemma. But it doesn't reflect the character of GOD. It's tough to grasp the concept of forgiveness for such ingregious acts because we're not GOD. We can not fathom his thoughts or ways as much as we try. The main thing people need to understand is that GOD is love! Not Hollywood love, not your homeboy love not lust but real, agape love! Secondly, the reason GOD can absolve and forgive someone is because of the propitiation of sin through Christ. He died in our place to deliver us from sin. The perfect lamb slain for the sin of man...I'm just so thankful to him for his love and grace because I don't deserve it. So Dive when GOD sees you, he sees his believed sons sacrifice. He sees a woman whom he crafted and created and has lived before she was even born. He see the blood sacrifice the atonement for the sins of the world and it allows him, a holy GOD to exercise mercy and grace... There is no personal dilemma whatsoever. We cannot fathom God's thought, because [gasp] we don't know he exists. But I'm not here to try to shake your core. I rarely enter religious discussion. Dogmatic minds are slammed shut. If it helps you see the world as a better place, kudos. I can see the good in you and you mean well. So I'm not even gonna say what the above sounds like. But should know by now how the rest of the world works, and why. Eye for an eye is generous. There is no jury of your peers. Homogeneous societies simply have customs in place that ensure co-operation (eg. banishment, public humiliation) that are understood by all. We OTOH have laws, there is no other way. The more I've written, the more I've deleted here, so just gonna stop. EDIT:No, you're not forgiven by anyone but yourself. So glad you do. N..no..no one? Me? Here's to a bullet to your face after a slow torturous death That's hurtful dive. Hurtful. Oh man, not sure I even wanna know what you did. Sounds like you got some demons.
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Post by Jancey on Oct 28, 2015 15:37:48 GMT -5
No, you're not forgiven by anyone but yourself. So glad you do. N..no..no one?
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Post by Jancey on Oct 28, 2015 15:42:27 GMT -5
Me? Here's to a bullet to your face after a slow torturous death That's hurtful dive. Hurtful.
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Post by saskabronco on Oct 29, 2015 7:41:59 GMT -5
We all judge others, including the Christians, all the time. Christians just try to mask their judgement by telling the rest of us that God is the one judging, but given that a universal God does not exist, and everyone (who believes in a god) believes in their own unique version of god based on their personal interpretation of their holy book of choice, the judgement from their own personal God is really just judgement from themselves. When people do terrible things, it is healthy for us, as humans, to acknowledge that a shitty thing has been done. That doesn't mean we reserve the right to exact punishment or revenge on our own though; that's why we've created a system that attempts to offer fair trials based on a legal code that we (humans... Not God) created. Out of curiosity theWILLmckoy, what are your thoughts on Christians who work as Judges? Should they step down? Are they hypocrites? Should they just sit in the chair waiting for God to tell them how to pass judgement? If we didn't judge one another, our world would be chaos. If everyone decided to leave it up to God, nothing would happen. Have your faith if it helps you deal with your life, but don't come around telling everyone else that they need to abide by the rules of the God that you created and that you choose to believe in. Many people here are Christian, but talk enough with people like Jancey, Juggs, Morkim, Craig or many others and you'll find that the God/Jesus that you believe in differs in significant ways from theirs. Ultimately, if you don't want to judge people, don't judge people. What everyone else does is beyond your control though, and telling us all that we shouldn't be judging is judgemental on your behalf. That sort of drags you right down to our level, doesn't it?
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theWILLmckoy
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Post by theWILLmckoy on Oct 29, 2015 10:11:34 GMT -5
We all judge others, including the Christians, all the time. Christians just try to mask their judgement by telling the rest of us that God is the one judging, but given that a universal God does not exist, and everyone (who believes in a god) believes in their own unique version of god based on their personal interpretation of their holy book of choice, the judgement from their own personal God is really just judgement from themselves. When people do terrible things, it is healthy for us, as humans, to acknowledge that a shitty thing has been done. That doesn't mean we reserve the right to exact punishment or revenge on our own though; that's why we've created a system that attempts to offer fair trials based on a legal code that we (humans... Not God) created. Out of curiosity theWILLmckoy, what are your thoughts on Christians who work as Judges? Should they step down? Are they hypocrites? Should they just sit in the chair waiting for God to tell them how to pass judgement? If we didn't judge one another, our world would be chaos. If everyone decided to leave it up to God, nothing would happen. Have your faith if it helps you deal with your life, but don't come around telling everyone else that they need to abide by the rules of the God that you created and that you choose to believe in. Many people here are Christian, but talk enough with people like Jancey, Juggs, Morkim, Craig or many others and you'll find that the God/Jesus that you believe in differs in significant ways from theirs. Ultimately, if you don't want to judge people, don't judge people. What everyone else does is beyond your control though, and telling us all that we shouldn't be judging is judgemental on your behalf. That sort of drags you right down to our level, doesn't it? When I say that we shouldn't judge, I mean that we shouldn't pass judgement on people unjustly. A judge has been appointed to rule and GOD honors that. It's their job to, as you pointed out, keep this world's chaos to a minimal level. However, an everyday person passing judgement or should I say criticizing another person, especially when they've never been in their position isn't right. I'm telling you that I've experienced this first hand. You never know what you're capable of. I believe that's why Christ said not to judge, unless you want to be judge and judge even harsher than the person you've passed judgement on.
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Post by saskabronco on Oct 29, 2015 12:39:45 GMT -5
We all judge others, including the Christians, all the time. Christians just try to mask their judgement by telling the rest of us that God is the one judging, but given that a universal God does not exist, and everyone (who believes in a god) believes in their own unique version of god based on their personal interpretation of their holy book of choice, the judgement from their own personal God is really just judgement from themselves. When people do terrible things, it is healthy for us, as humans, to acknowledge that a shitty thing has been done. That doesn't mean we reserve the right to exact punishment or revenge on our own though; that's why we've created a system that attempts to offer fair trials based on a legal code that we (humans... Not God) created. Out of curiosity theWILLmckoy, what are your thoughts on Christians who work as Judges? Should they step down? Are they hypocrites? Should they just sit in the chair waiting for God to tell them how to pass judgement? If we didn't judge one another, our world would be chaos. If everyone decided to leave it up to God, nothing would happen. Have your faith if it helps you deal with your life, but don't come around telling everyone else that they need to abide by the rules of the God that you created and that you choose to believe in. Many people here are Christian, but talk enough with people like Jancey, Juggs, Morkim, Craig or many others and you'll find that the God/Jesus that you believe in differs in significant ways from theirs. Ultimately, if you don't want to judge people, don't judge people. What everyone else does is beyond your control though, and telling us all that we shouldn't be judging is judgemental on your behalf. That sort of drags you right down to our level, doesn't it? When I say that we shouldn't judge, I mean that we shouldn't pass judgement on people unjustly. A judge has been appointed to rule and GOD honors that. It's their job to, as you pointed out, keep this world's chaos to a minimal level. However, an everyday person passing judgement or should I say criticizing another person, especially when they've never been in their position isn't right. I'm telling you that I've experienced this first hand. You never know what you're capable of. I believe that's why Christ said not to judge, unless you want to be judge and judge even harsher than the person you've passed judgement on. What makes a judge anything different than an ordinary person? If I took the proper schooling and dedicated the time, I could most definitely become a judge even though I am an atheist and think the biblical God is a laughable concept full of hypocrisy. Would God honour my position as a judge? The fact is, mankind (not God) created the laws that we deem acceptable. Mankind has constantly, throughout history, changed and adapted those laws as we have grown as people (hence things like rape and slavery, which were deemed acceptable in God's book, are now rightfully condemned). We are the ones who must judge the actions of one another, otherwise we would still be living under archaic laws where women were second class citizens and you could be stoned to death for wearing blended fabrics or having a tattoo. Though remember, those laws were also just written by men. Enough about this God crap; start putting your faith in humanity.
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Post by Jindred on Oct 29, 2015 16:11:42 GMT -5
Here is where I am interested theWILLmckoy Your whole belief of why we shouldn't judge people is because of God. So humor me for a moment.. Pretend there is no god, or at least none that plays a role in our existence, why would I not judge this person for his actions? If there is no god, then is it up to us to judge? You using your God, as a reason to justify why I shouldn't judge him doesn't work because I don't believe in your God. I do believe judging people for the small stuff to be something a person should try to avoid doing, but there are some things as humanity we need to pass judgement on, rape, murder, abuse of any kind, these things we judge because if we didn't they would run rampant. If we all just said "well I can't judge you for raping that girl because I am not you and there for can't say I would have done different." is stupid. As a whole us judging for those things sets a precedence that it is not acceptable to do those things no matter the circumstance. Don't murder people, don't rape people and don't abuse people, those things are inherently wrong and anyone who does them deserves to be looked down upon by everyone who hasn't as that sets a the precedence. I work on not judging people so long as what they are doing isn't affecting other people in a negative way, as soon as you start affecting the lives of other people negatively, you have reach my grounds to judge you.
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