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Post by saskabronco on Mar 23, 2016 8:43:44 GMT -5
When it comes to Trump, only a crazy person would thing Trump has convictions to do the right thing. He says, on a regular basis, the things he wants to do and they are never the right thing. Build a wall to keep Mexicans out? Wrong thing. Ban Muslims from coming to America? Wrong thing. Bring back water boarding and worse? Wrong thing. Kill terrorist's families? Wrong thing. I could go on and on. And sorry to hound you on this issue but people like you are the scariest part of the election. We already know what the nut job far right wingers are going to do and their minds won't be swayed. The scary part is the centrists or left wingers are actually buying into his bullshit and considering giving him a vote. Even throwing your vote away is helping him in the long run. Don't let his scare tactics work on you. Ask yourself what has he ever said that suggests a hint of any plan for when he takes office? He has no platform in place. All he does is talk and talk about how great he is, but literally offers no evidence to back it up. Do not buy his crap. I would rather see Bush and Cheney come back before him, and they were awful. Do yourself a favor and watch John Oliver's thing on Trump. It exposes many of the lies he has been spreading and many of the faults in his campaign and his business career in general. He is hands down the worst option for president in many decades. I actually deleted my text 'of course that [the right thing] can differ wildly depending on the individual'. Didn't wanna be too wordy, seems to irk some people. lol The 'wrong things'? I think you're wrong on at least 2. 'Throwing vote away helps him', what does that mean??? You're preaching to the choir. I can't stand Trump. He's an ignorant pig, sexist for sure, racist probably. My main gist seems to be missed here, mainly that if I, a dyed in the wool Democrat, can even considering voting for Trump, I can't be the only one. Read that twice, okay? Gonna repeat myself only 1 more time and I'm outta here. Brussels today came at the worse possible time. And it sure does make Americans, myself included, question whether we are doing enough to be safe. For myself, I was particularly very irked to hear the fwe brief comments from our President in Spanish. Vanilla, PC garbage, the reverberation to me was 'viva solidarity and world peace'. I DO NOT recall what he said, it surely wasn't that. But it was devoid of anger or anything truly upsetting. Yes, that is only my take, but that's what I took away, 'when in Roma/Cuba...'. Let's just say anything in Spanish and move right along. In his defense, the situation was probably awkward and untimely. Maybe things will be more clear soon. Which two wrong things was I wrong about? Water boarding, building a wall, banning Muslims or killing terrorists families? If you support any of those, you are most definitely wrong. When I say throwing away your vote helps Trump, it's because when people stop being a part of the Democratic process by refusing to vote, it hurts the process. That's what he wants. He didn't want to be in power in a place where many checks and balances are set up to restrict his power. He wants to be able to say something and have it done right away. The less involved people get in the process, the more potential power he will have. Your vote is your power to prevent that sort of crap. I know you're not supporting him, but the fact that you say you even consider voting for him is scary. I can see his appeal to far right wing white males with bigoted views, but the only reason a left-leaning female would ever consider a vote for a man like him is because she either doesn't understand what he's doing or she's acting irrationally out of fear. I think your case is the latter and I strongly caution against that. |
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Post by MarchingOn on Mar 23, 2016 11:23:09 GMT -5
Of course I have been only talking about terrorism on American soil. That's what our conversation up until this point has revolved around. I never said or insinuated that I'm indifferent to or that I "breath a sigh of relief" every time an act of terrorism happens someplace other than America. It's awful everywhere it happens. If we're going to talk about Europe, I'm very confident that even in Europe, just like in America, Muslim terrorist attacks are outnumbered by many other types of terrorism. Less than 2% of terrorist attacks in Europe between the years 2009-2013 were religiously motivated, per a study by Europol (the European law enforcement agency). Of course, we're in the year 2016 now, but that's still pretty overwhelming evidence that terrorism in Europe carried out by Jihadist groups don't happen nearly as often as people believe they do, and that they aren't even really that close to being the most likely to commit a terrorist act. Because I seriously doubt that religious terrorism takes up a much larger percent now than it did just a few years ago. And if you're wanting raw numbers and not just percentage, that 2% means that out of the 1088 terrorist attacks committed in Europe between the years 2009-2013, only 12 of them were religiously motivated (which, certainly, Islamic terrorist attacks would/should definitely be classified as "religiously motivated"). And it's worth mentioning that that doesn't mean all 12 were committed by Muslims, since (obviously) there are other religions in existence as well..  Only back here cuz I was unclear, and my bad. Did not mean "you" in particular, in any way, shape, or form 'breathe a sigh of relief' - I meant 'you' in the general sense, like everyone. Would it have helped to say 'ya' instead? Probably not. hehe All that other stuff with stats, sorry, but I have less than no interest to address. Not about to chase my tail on spin-doctored stats. WTF is 'religiously motivated terrorism'? It's a joke. A joke. If people wanna believe whoever defines whatever, to either help them find their way or substantiate one or both of their agendas, god bless. Hope the 'whatever' part, namely 'religiously motivated' isn't too vague. NONE of it is religiously motivated. Do some really think otherwise? Don't need a bar graph to tell me that. Good video. Was half into it, and sounded like a Cliff Notes going nowhere. Glad I listened on. I'm really getting tired of this.. Okay, Dive. Tell me how these stats are spin-doctored. Go on. Tell me why freaking Europol is wrong and you are right, and provide to me stats that are actually not "spin-doctored" to counter the Europol stats. Don't just accuse my post of being wrong and partial to some random agenda if you're not going to actually post a worthwhile rebuttal (not sure what "agenda" Europol would have, anyways. They aren't a Muslim or religious organization, they are the law enforcement agency of the European Union. They aren't going to spin stats in an attempt to make Muslims or religious groups seem less dangerous. lol. They have no reason to). And wait, you think the video I posted is good? I assume that means you agree with it? If so, then why... Why in the world are you even arguing with me? You realize that after he gets done with his little cliff-note segment, he goes on to talk about and emphasize how you are far more likely to be killed by somebody who identifies as a Christian (or some other group) than you are Muslim extremists, right? That is literally the same thing I've been telling you, Dive. And it's what you keep arguing against me. I guess you just needed to hear somebody else say it..? |
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Post by lostabroad2 on Mar 23, 2016 12:38:12 GMT -5
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Post by craig440 on Mar 23, 2016 13:59:19 GMT -5
Wow. How can you misinterpret MO so badly? No one is saying ISIS and radical Islamists are not dangerous. The point is that they are dangerous but that does not mean all Muslims are dangerous. But Trump is saying he wants to bring back illegal torture methods and use them on innocent family members of suspected terrorists because he thinks they have information, despite the fact that those torture methods have been proven to no be effective in any way. Cruz wants to ban immigration from Muslim countries and patrol Muslim neighbourhoods. These are both extreme overreactions that will harm many non-radical Muslims as a result, and both overreactions have been tried in the past and have been proven to be extremely ineffective. ISIS is dangerous, but we need to focus on battling them, not all Muslims, because there is a major difference between the two. As for your link, that was just dumb. If it actually was a sinking ship that Trump was running, what would he actually do? Trump would single out one group who he determined at fault (let's call them Muslims for the sake of accuracy) for causing the ship to sink and get the rest of the ship passengers worked up towards that group. Then he will find another group to blame (let's call them Mexicans) and promise to make them build more life rafts for everyone else on the ship. The problem is, they don't have the resources for more life rafts, so the only way to actually make them would be to rip the hull of their ship apart, which would cause the ship to sink even faster, leaving no time for the Mexicans to build those new rafts. All the while, if anyone made a negative comment towards him in anyway, he would simply throw them overboard. So you'd be left with a ship sinking faster than before with divided groups blaming one another for the problem and no real solution to anything. Meanwhile captain Trump would be locked away in his captains quarters with all the life vests lining the luxury life boat he made by combining all of the other life boats, to be used to whisk himself and his family away from this mess in extreme comfort. I know Mo's thing was homeland terror. I just think you guys are minimizing the real threat to human life world wide by making it look like refrigerators kill more than Isis (etc). I never once said I was voting for Trump, as a mater of fact I probably would vote for the other party, even though I don't trust her to do anything she says. I was just pointing out what he said. Not the blown up version that the media pushes. There is no need to call people morons, stupid, bigots etc. And I know my sinking ship thing was stupid. I said I found it funny. As a mater of fact, your sinking ship story was funny also. Made me laugh. Don't be one of those people that if someone doesn't like what Obama does you call them racist. And by the way Obama promised today to take on Isis until they are destroyed. So he must finally think they are a threat. But I would be willing to bet he does nothing of value. Avatar bet? |
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Post by craig440 on Mar 23, 2016 14:07:24 GMT -5
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Post by saskabronco on Mar 23, 2016 14:37:13 GMT -5
Wow. How can you misinterpret MO so badly? No one is saying ISIS and radical Islamists are not dangerous. The point is that they are dangerous but that does not mean all Muslims are dangerous. But Trump is saying he wants to bring back illegal torture methods and use them on innocent family members of suspected terrorists because he thinks they have information, despite the fact that those torture methods have been proven to no be effective in any way. Cruz wants to ban immigration from Muslim countries and patrol Muslim neighbourhoods. These are both extreme overreactions that will harm many non-radical Muslims as a result, and both overreactions have been tried in the past and have been proven to be extremely ineffective. ISIS is dangerous, but we need to focus on battling them, not all Muslims, because there is a major difference between the two. As for your link, that was just dumb. If it actually was a sinking ship that Trump was running, what would he actually do? Trump would single out one group who he determined at fault (let's call them Muslims for the sake of accuracy) for causing the ship to sink and get the rest of the ship passengers worked up towards that group. Then he will find another group to blame (let's call them Mexicans) and promise to make them build more life rafts for everyone else on the ship. The problem is, they don't have the resources for more life rafts, so the only way to actually make them would be to rip the hull of their ship apart, which would cause the ship to sink even faster, leaving no time for the Mexicans to build those new rafts. All the while, if anyone made a negative comment towards him in anyway, he would simply throw them overboard. So you'd be left with a ship sinking faster than before with divided groups blaming one another for the problem and no real solution to anything. Meanwhile captain Trump would be locked away in his captains quarters with all the life vests lining the luxury life boat he made by combining all of the other life boats, to be used to whisk himself and his family away from this mess in extreme comfort. I know Mo's thing was homeland terror. I just think you guys are minimizing the real threat to human life world wide by making it look like refrigerators kill more than Isis (etc). I never once said I was voting for Trump, as a mater of fact I probably would vote for the other party, even though I don't trust her to do anything she says. I was just pointing out what he said. Not the blown up version that the media pushes. There is no need to call people morons, stupid, bigots etc. And I know my sinking ship thing was stupid. I said I found it funny. As a mater of fact, your sinking ship story was funny also. Made me laugh. Don't be one of those people that if someone doesn't like what Obama does you call them racist. And by the way Obama promised today to take on Isis until they are destroyed. So he must finally think they are a threat. But I would be willing to bet he does nothing of value. Avatar bet? I don't call people racist for disagreeing with anything Obama said. I disagree with much of what Ben Carson said, and I don't think that makes me racist. I disagree with what Carly Fiorina said and I don't think that makes me sexist. Calling Trump and his followers bigots is very different though. That is because they actively push an extremely divisive mindset based on singling out very specific groups of people based on race, religion, etc. and hating them. That is bigotry. It's not meant as an insult, it's meant as a statement of fact. Calling people idiots and morons is meant as an insult to anyone who is stupid enough to buy into Trump's con. I have no respect for those people because they are actively contributing to handing power to a bigoted asshole who is getting really close to one of the most powerful positions on the planet.
I'm glad you enjoyed my story about Trump. I laughed a bit at the other ones but also got annoyed at how they tried to use humor to make the democrats look bad, but then tried to make Trump look good. I just tried to even the playing field by giving a negative one to Trump as well. I'm not so partisan that I had to rewrite all the Dems in a positive light. I think it's funny to mock them as well, and they all have many things worth mocking.
There is no politician right now who isn't going to fight against ISIS. Some just have more diplomatic ways of doing it that don't involve torturing and murdering their families and using outdated, completely illegal, ineffective torture techniques to try and beat them.
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Post by craig440 on Mar 23, 2016 22:35:53 GMT -5
I got nothing to do so I will do this. I'm just waiting for my heart to heal, and for my moms physical theropy tomorrow.
So for all you haters, who think Trump is a sexist because that is what the media tells you, here is a video. Remember the first part the media shows you he was a reality tv guy. The other parts he was the owner of Ms Universe. Obama is a blow hard who did nothing about what he says. He is exactly like Trump says. All talk no action. Every single thing Trump says is true. That is why people relate to him. If you are a flat chested woman, its hard to be a ten. Anyone disagree? He tells the truth, as politically incorrect as it is. That is why lots of people like it.
That video was put out to make Obama look good and Trump look bad. Did the opposite for me. That is why millions of people see the truth.
Obama does nothing but whine. No solutions or plans. And hes the president. Trump is a TV and Ms Universe guy in this video. Point for Trump
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Post by MarchingOn on Mar 23, 2016 22:48:32 GMT -5
If you're more impressed by Trump's comments than Obama's in that video, that's sad even by your standards.
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Post by MarchingOn on Mar 23, 2016 22:50:19 GMT -5
Also, I do in fact disagree that it's hard for "flat-chested" women to be considered a 10.. There are plenty of women with small breasts out there whom I find insanely attractive.
Also.. Donald Trump talking about his daughter like that will never not creep me the fuck out.
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