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Post by lostabroad2 on Feb 19, 2013 13:31:06 GMT -5
What the heck is "Wog" supposed to mean? Never heard that in my life... Don't use the 'W' word. Seriously don't use it in Europe. It's considered far more offensive than the 'N' word. It's an abbreviation of golli'W'. You can Google the word or search for images to get an idea. Using that word in Britain could get you a prison sentence very quickly. later edit: I've added the reference from page 5 for you craig.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2013 13:35:20 GMT -5
What's the W word?
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Post by steeldevil on Feb 19, 2013 13:35:28 GMT -5
Redskin IS NOT a racial slur anymore. Its accepted usage is in reference to the Football team. Even if it is used in reference to American Natives that is far from always meaning it in a derogatory way. Go talk about football team on a reservation then. See what happens. Its only not a racial slur if there is no one around that would be offended. If there are native americans around then I bet you wont be saying it. Interesting thing that no one has brought up: Someone should ask Sam Bradford about this topic. He is native american.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2013 13:48:47 GMT -5
Saw this on face book. A Native American makes his point and the protesters go away. What can you say?
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Post by xdeadlyxmirage on Feb 19, 2013 14:45:00 GMT -5
Redskin IS NOT a racial slur anymore. Its accepted usage is in reference to the Football team. Even if it is used in reference to American Natives that is far from always meaning it in a derogatory way. Go talk about football team on a reservation then. See what happens. Its only not a racial slur if there is no one around that would be offended. If there are native americans around then I bet you wont be saying it. Interesting thing that no one has brought up: Someone should ask Sam Bradford about this topic. He is native american. It is not how people react to something that make it offensive. It is the meaning behind it. Nigger is offensive because it imply's a negative view of the race behind it but if you use it like an example like I did, it is a joke to make it out to be offensive even though some people will try. Just because someone gets offended about something does not mean that they are in the right.
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Post by Jindred on Feb 19, 2013 16:40:38 GMT -5
It is not how people react to something that make it offensive. It is the meaning behind it. Nigger is offensive because it imply's a negative view of the race behind it but if you use it like an example like I did, it is a joke to make it out to be offensive even though some people will try. Just because someone gets offended about something does not mean that they are in the right. It is offensive to use the word any time. I agree that it shouldn't be but the majority of people will take offense to it! Its similar to cuss words. Example Fuck is a very powerful word, many people are offended by just the use of it even if I use it in a positive way. "That meal you made was FUCKING amazing!" is not appropriate in polite conversation even though it is used in a positive way via complementing someone. Nigger is another such word, anytime you use it many people cringe or are bothered.. Hell I don't even like saying it, I feel guilty just using it. There is so much hate behind that word and it is continually given power by the way we as a people view it. Thats not going to change. Words like fuck, nigger, and cunt, are so powerful because of how much importance and negativity we as humans put behind them. I can be offended by anything because it is all perception, nothing really means anything without the idea that it does.. However that doesn't change that some things hold negative power behind them do to everyone giving it meaning. Let me ask you this, would you go up to a native person and call them a Redskin to their face? No you would not, unless you were an ignorant asshole. So why should that be a team name if it has a negative meaning behind it? P.S. That was an awesome video Craig! Those protesters got owned!
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Post by steeldevil on Feb 19, 2013 16:58:19 GMT -5
The name wont be changed. It has been their name too long and its tradition now. Just like its tradition for the word to be offensive to natives, because it always has been. And it wont ever change.
I dont personally feel strongly either way on the topic to be honest. I do feel bad for the natives, obviously for more reasons than just the REdskins and Braves and other names, but for my ancestors killing theirs on a grand scale. But it gets on my nerves when minorities (natives and blacks mainly) talk to me about the pain I caused them and their people...
I'm like "bitch I didnt do anything to you..."
But Im sure the protestors in that video were protesting something stupid and being douchebags so I give kudos to the native american.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2013 17:05:42 GMT -5
They were protesting illegal immigration. Until that guy pointed out they were illegal. LOL
And I never hear the n word unless it is said by a black person. Well very rarely hear it.
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Post by Divebitch on Feb 19, 2013 18:56:17 GMT -5
Nigger. There, I've said it. Here's the thing...it's only on a timeline that it's come to be an offensive term. Where do you think the latin/Spanish word for black 'negra' comes from? Could it be from the African nations of Niger and Nigeria? The River Niger? Surely these nations did not name themselves after some Western European or American slur of their people, much less keep the name.
Probably, in the days of slavery 'nigger' was not a racial slur, even to the slaves themselves. What remains today is how the white man that used the term years ago may have thought of slaves at the time. And naturally the term is extremely offensive today in most contexts (although it seems fine that blacks call each other that - is that them 'lightening up', or...?, but I digress). But times have changed, and the term have long become offensive.
'Redskin' was possibly always more offensive, it certainly has no history in the American Indian vernacular, and bears no resemblance of a term they've ever used to describe themselves. So for those that consider of the term 'nigger' offensive 'of course', as obvious as the day is long, give the 'Redskins' a little more thought. White man stole their country and spread deadly disease amongst them.
How 'we' used slaves is not probably how they intended or the sellers cared. It is no less awful, but American Indians also weren't given much of a choice. I digress a tad, but just trying to make a point.
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Post by awesomeace on Feb 19, 2013 19:49:21 GMT -5
@dive just because a country is called Niger or Nigeria, doesn't mean the population that lives there call it by that name. Germany isn't Germany in german, Japan isn't Japan in japanese and I bet half of the countries we know are known by a different name elsewhere. Surely the name itself is different from the English version we know.
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