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Post by Shaggzfate on Dec 2, 2012 14:12:53 GMT -5
he must have been drunk to do that I didn't say he was. For him to do a thing like that he must have been intoxicated, Chiefs players said he was a nice teammate and all You can't assume that. I do think it's safe to assume there were extenuating circumstances. If it were drugs, steroids, brain damage, or mental illness, something else came into play. Only reason I say that is it's not a normal thing for a person to do shit like that. Even if he was cheated on, there is no excuse. Something else happened to his body chemistry, something that made that line all too easy to cross. Fact is, I don't think he came to the stadium just to commit suicide, I think he planned on taking a few more people out first and then the gravity of the situation hit him. Maybe he was told he wouldn't be brought back next year and then his personal life went to hell? Motive is really a mute point, because regardless of what it was, he became a monster and ruined a child's life and both his and the child's mom's family.
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Post by Jindred on Dec 2, 2012 14:56:29 GMT -5
I feel sympathy for the guy because something had to go very wrong in his head for him to turn from a normal guy into a murderer.. I in no way think what he did was right not, but normal people don't do what he does unless something breaks inside your head. Just the way the story sounds is he had a moment of clarity at the end, he thanked his coach and GM for giving him the chance to play football and he killed himself because he knew he couldn't live with what he'd done. Cowards way out? maybe. But we don't know the circumstance he was in, so my theory is don't judge the guy. What still gets me is, he didn't kill his mom, he didn't kill his baby girl, the coaches said they never flet threatened, he just went for his girlfriend.. my theory (just a theory) is that he was dealing with something that he was having trouble with before this whole thing and then something she did (maybe broke up with him, or cheated on him, maybe they just got into a fight) and then his brain broke..
this in no way excuses the act... but I unno I feel sorry for the guy, his last day in the world had to be tortured.. Definitely more sorry for his daughter and the family members of the diciest who are left behind, and definitely his gf..
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Post by awesomeace on Dec 2, 2012 17:42:52 GMT -5
Why are some people feeling saying "RIP" to Belcher? The dude killed his girlfriend, and left his 2 month child without any parents. I have no sympathy for Belcher, thoughts and prayers go out to the family and everybody effected by this though. because we don't know the full story, right now all we can do is assume and most are just assuming he did it out of being drunk or something. For all we know, his GF/wife was a husband beater or cheated on him
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Post by falconsfan7007 on Dec 2, 2012 22:09:23 GMT -5
I don't agree with what Bob Costas and the KC beat writer said about if he didn't have a gun he and his GF would still be alive, I mean he still had his hands, a knife, weights, the list goes on and on. Now he could have also killed his GF's mother because if he had tried to use any of those weapons against his GF there, chances are the mom would've tried to stop him. The only thing I see different would be that if he drove to Arrowhead he probably would've just had to surrender to police, or he would've gone home and hung himself. The situation probably stays the same, but with better/ worse results.
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Post by falconsfan7007 on Dec 2, 2012 22:37:14 GMT -5
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Post by falconsfan7007 on Dec 2, 2012 22:45:07 GMT -5
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Post by TonOdanK on Dec 5, 2012 4:22:38 GMT -5
great statement
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Post by cantonhall34 on Dec 5, 2012 5:11:34 GMT -5
This really bummed me out and made me mad at the same time. We had a similar situation here in Denver a few years ago with one of our players being killed in a senseless shooting on New Year's Eve. It was a sad thing to hear about.
I think after seeing the news the first thing I thought of was that it was a heat of the moment act. It doesn't sound (at least at this point) that it was a planned attack, but for whatever reason he had a weapon (or maybe picked it up in some stupid attempt to threaten and END said argument, without really expecting to use it) and in the heat of whatever argument they were involved in used it - over and over - as his temper got the best of him. To me the fact that it was SEVERAL gunshots tells me that there was a certain level of anger there that overcame him and later when he realized what he had done decided the best thing for him to do was off himself.
It has been said that killing someone/suicide is a LONG TERM solution to a SHORT TERM problem. You cannot get those moments back and replay them. It's times like those that a person needs to remove themselves from the situation as best they can and cool down. Later, if they need to revisit the discussion things might be calmed down some and things would be less likely to spin out of control.
I will say this: I am a veteran and I've fired weapons before (I'm NOT against gun ownership) but I will 100% believe that if the gun was not a part of this situation things would have been different. I'm not saying anything about gun control - that's the last thing I'm putting forth here - but I KNOW FOR A FACT (unfortunately from life experience) that when people lose their temper unnecessary things tend to happen.
Regardless of the way things were handled by this coward (obviously poorly) what he FAILED to do was stop in the middle of it and realize that his so-called solution to the situation was unwarranted and selfish, even if it was a sudden act (and not a planned thing).
Unless the GF had been threatening him with a weapon and he honestly felt the need to defend himself (again SEVERAL times) there was no reason for any weapon to be involved.
I don't want to hear about "he was a good one" because he obviously had other issues that weren't known. It's not a new concept. Many well known people (or celebrities) have proven to have issues that contributed to their fall from grace, or in some instances, unfortunate demise.
I have no time to feel sorry for ANYBODY that would go to the level he did. NONE.
As a Bronco fan and a person that despises the Chiefs (division rivals that's all) I was glad to see them do so well during the game on Sunday. At times like those you set aside your team affiliations and really pull for any sort of positive outcome. It will never make up for the loss within the community, but it was great to see those guys pull together. Good for them.
And I'm sorry if I offended anybody with this post because that's certainly not my intent. Considering my own background where I've witnessed some things I rather would not have, that's just how I see it.
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Post by falconsfan7007 on Jan 14, 2013 15:21:04 GMT -5
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