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Post by patriotsk1d on Jan 29, 2015 16:42:17 GMT -5
The trial has finally begun after a year and a half wait(right to a speedy trial lol...)
I continue to hold my stand that Hernandez will not be found guilty, and no that doesnt mean I think he is innocent(I have never said that).
This trial is expected to take 6-8 weeks.
Basically the entire case is based on circumstantial evidence. They had 18 months to find evidence and there is still no murder weapon or eyewitnesses, which will make it very difficult to get a guilty verdict.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 17:11:13 GMT -5
He had to have waived his right to a speedy trial right? That's something I don't think I would do if I was innocent. I wouldn't want to sit in jail for a year and a half.
Lots of people are convicted with out finding the murder weapon. I think. Just because they didn't find it doesn't mean there wasn't one and that is pretty clear to the jury. Is the trial televised? Gosh I hope not because I get to involved. I was glued to the TV during OJ trial.
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Post by patriotsk1d on Jan 29, 2015 17:20:19 GMT -5
He had to have waived his right to a speedy trial right? That's something I don't think I would do if I was innocent. I wouldn't want to sit in jail for a year and a half. Lots of people are convicted with out finding the murder weapon. I think. Just because they didn't find it doesn't mean there wasn't one and that is pretty clear to the jury. Is the trial televised? Gosh I hope not because I get to involved. I was glued to the TV during OJ trial. If he waived the right, then I certainly dont recall it happening. I have spent a lot of time paying close attention to this trial so I doubt I missed that, but I am not saying without a doubt it didnt happen. The murder weapon isnt the only issue though, although that is still a big problem. Anyone who testifies against Hernandez will only be adding a testimony of more circumstantial evidence. The prosecution has virtually no hard evidence that would be relevant to a conviction. As far as I know cameras are allowed in the court room, although that could have changed. This case probably wont get the attention that OJ did. I believe some local stations will televise portions of the trial, but I doubt any national stations will have it. Maybe some pick it up near the end of the trial. If Hernandez goes down for anything it will be the alleged 2012 Boston killings, although quite frankly I dont know enough about that case to make a prediction.
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Post by patriotsk1d on Jan 29, 2015 17:22:15 GMT -5
Basically you can make a pretty good case off of circumstantial evidence that Hernandez was at the scene of the crime, but you can make the same case that there were two other people there at the same time. Neither witness is credible enough to testify as they both have very lengthy criminal records.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 17:45:49 GMT -5
Check it out and see if he waived his right to a speedy trial. He must have or else that is reason enough for him to not have a trial. They ask at the arranment about a speedy trial. It's going to be interesting and like I have said "this stuff fascinates me"
He's charged with a few gun violations also I think.
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Post by patriotsk1d on Jan 29, 2015 17:48:34 GMT -5
Check it out and see if he waived his right to a speedy trial. He must have or else that is reason enough for him to not have a trial. They ask at the arranment about a speedy trial. It's going to be interesting and like I have said "this stuff fascinates me" He's charged with a few gun violations also I think. I will look into it later on today. You are correct on the gun violations, however his time already served is likely enough or very close to enough to credit time served for those violations.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 18:06:15 GMT -5
Check it out and see if he waived his right to a speedy trial. He must have or else that is reason enough for him to not have a trial. They ask at the arranment about a speedy trial. It's going to be interesting and like I have said "this stuff fascinates me" He's charged with a few gun violations also I think. I will look into it later on today. You are correct on the gun violations, however his time already served is likely enough or very close to enough to credit time served for those violations. That might be why he waived his right to a speedy trial. If he knew he would serve that time anyway. His defense lawyer could have advised him to waive so he could prepare better.
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Post by Juggs on Jan 29, 2015 19:17:17 GMT -5
I don't know a lot about this case, but according to CNN, his DNA has been verified on the bullet casing. A footprint where the body was found was professionally attributed to his sneaker. So you can't say there's only circumstantial evidence at this point. It would be circumstantial if you could only put him at one scene. If he he's at two scenes connected with a murder, then that's something. In addition, the bullet casing involves him in the crime rather than just places him there, in my opinion.
The lack of a murder weapon, so the prosecution says, is due to Hernandez or someone else destroying the evidence. If they can prove that beyond a reasonable doubt, they obviously wouldn't need it.
I agree that he'll probably not get murder, but I think you could see conspiracy to commit murder, and I certainly think he will be convicted of something.
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Post by Juggs on Jan 29, 2015 19:22:09 GMT -5
Also, a chevy driven by the killer of Odin Lloyd was rented by Hernandez. The second to last text Lloyd sent to his girlfriend was "NFL" lol. I don't know if that is actual evidence, but I'm thoroughly convinced.
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Post by patriotsk1d on Jan 29, 2015 19:36:25 GMT -5
Also, a chevy driven by the killer of Odin Lloyd was rented by Hernandez. The second to last text Lloyd sent to his girlfriend was "NFL" lol. I don't know if that is actual evidence, but I'm thoroughly convinced. That particular sequence of text messages was actually ruled out in this caseDont get me wrong I am at the very least convinced he orchestrated this, but based on what they have and what they can use it is going to be very difficult for them to prove him guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. If you look closely at this case you can see the media has been against him the entire way, not that I think they should be in favor of him, but they certainly have portrayed him as guilty from the start. Most of the media has made this case seem like they will get a clear cut conviction. As I said earlier I think they can probably prove he was at the scene. That isnt enough for a murder conviction though, especially when you consider there were two other people at the scene who both have very lengthy criminal records and gang ties. When it comes to the car the defense is going to argue that Hernandez is a very generous person and had the tendency to rent cars for his friends. Ernest Wallace who was one of the Hernandez associates at the scene is getting his attorney bills payed for by Hernandez. Carlos Ortiz was the other associate and he had thought to have been working with the prosecution at first, but his story has changed multiple times and his criminal record ruins almost all of his credibility.
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