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Post by cityofchamps on Jan 26, 2015 17:13:26 GMT -5
According to FoxSports, the NFL has apparently obtained video of a locker room attendant actually taking the balls out of the locker room AFTER the officials inspected the balls, and transport them to another room in Gillette Stadium. Wow. This is big. If there is indeed video of this, then I hardly believe that this attendant acted on his own. I mean really. There is also evidence that the Patriots' fumble-per-snap-count is so significantly lower than the rest of the league that it is glaringly suspicious. Since 2010, the Patriots have fumbled once in every 73 snaps. That is more than 50% higher (52% to be exact) than the second highest team in the NFL in that respect, the Ravens, who have a fumble once in every 55 snaps. From the Wall Street Journal.com: Additionally, according to Stats, LLC, the six players who have played extensively for the Patriots and other teams in this span all fumbled far less frequently wearing the New England uniform. Including recovered fumbles, Danny Amendola, BenJarvus Green-Ellis, Danny Woodhead, Wes Welker, Brandon LaFell and LeGarrette Blount have lost the ball eight times in 1,482 touches for the Patriots since 2010, or once every 185.3 times. For their other teams, they fumbled 22 times in 1,701 touches (once every 77.3). Full article: www.wsj.com/articles/patriots-always-keep-a-tight-grip-on-the-ball-1422054846The evidence is mounting against the Patriots. If Bill Belichick is found to have expressly lied to the NFL, then they are going to come down HARD on him. I say it would at least be the same as what the Patriots got for Spygate. $500K and a 1st Round Pick sanctioned.
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Post by patriotsk1d on Jan 26, 2015 18:58:21 GMT -5
So Jay Glazer and the rest of foxsports have pulled a complete 180 from yesterday saying it was a "sting operation" and now it is a lockeroom attendant?
Pats preach ball security more than anything. I thought the deflated footballs were the reason Brady was good, or is it now the reason the Pats are low in turnovers? How come Stevan Ridley didnt fumble once in his college career? Is he carrying a fully inflated football?
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Post by Morkim on Jan 26, 2015 19:12:31 GMT -5
So Jay Glazer and the rest of foxsports have pulled a complete 180 from yesterday saying it was a "sting operation" and now it is a lockeroom attendant? Pats preach ball security more than anything. I thought the deflated footballs were the reason Brady was good, or is it now the reason the Pats are low in turnovers? How come Stevan Ridley didnt fumble once in his college career? Is he carrying a fully inflated football? lol just let it go brah. I'm amazed they'd get away with it since 2010 since the Colts sideline could tell by touch the ball was off. I mean, I know they don't have -many- turnovers. But they do have some, right?
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Post by awesomeace on Jan 26, 2015 19:15:35 GMT -5
Is it because the ball is flat or because you will find a nice cozy spot on the bench if you fumble unless your name is Tom Brady?
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Post by patriotsk1d on Jan 26, 2015 19:36:51 GMT -5
So Jay Glazer and the rest of foxsports have pulled a complete 180 from yesterday saying it was a "sting operation" and now it is a lockeroom attendant? Pats preach ball security more than anything. I thought the deflated footballs were the reason Brady was good, or is it now the reason the Pats are low in turnovers? How come Stevan Ridley didnt fumble once in his college career? Is he carrying a fully inflated football? lol just let it go brah. I'm amazed they'd get away with it since 2010 since the Colts sideline could tell by touch the ball was off. I mean, I know they don't have -many- turnovers. But they do have some, right? Is it possible Belichick instructs players to turnover the ball occasionally to prevent suspicion? Maybe this should be investigated.
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Post by inoccent on Jan 26, 2015 22:01:35 GMT -5
Yay!! Another thread for a nonstory!
My wish list: #1. LG #2. Big, Nasty DT #3. RT #4. Speedy RB #5. Eventual Mathis Replacement CB #6. Eventual Ihedibgo Replacement SS #7. Backup LB #8. Backup QB #9. Third WR
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Post by cityofchamps on Jan 26, 2015 22:21:10 GMT -5
So Jay Glazer and the rest of foxsports have pulled a complete 180 from yesterday saying it was a "sting operation" and now it is a lockeroom attendant? Pats preach ball security more than anything. I thought the deflated footballs were the reason Brady was good, or is it now the reason the Pats are low in turnovers? How come Stevan Ridley didnt fumble once in his college career? Is he carrying a fully inflated football? Uh huh, sure. Go ahead and ignore the evidence and attack the source. THEY HAVE VIDEO (I repeat, VIDEO) of the guy actually taking the balls out of the officials' locker room (where they are supposed to be held before being directly taken to the field) before the game and taking them somewhere else before bringing them onto the field. The only reason I see anyone having to do that if they are tampering with them, since moving them from that room is against the rules. If this is indeed true and they release the video in a few weeks (more like a few months if anyone knows Ted Wells), then the Patriots, Bill Belichick, Tom Brady, and now Robert Kraft have expressly lied to the NFL about the organization following every rule to the letter. And we all saw what Roger Goodell did to the Saints in Bountygate. He suspended Sean Payton for the year because he/the NFL believed that "ignorance was no excuse" from being held responsible for that. That precedent has been set so Bill Belichick, based on how the NFL operates, is going to probably at least get the same with what he did for Spygate. Now, I won't deny that I would still be a fan of my team if this happened to the Steelers, even through all of this. I would try to defend the Steelers. However, If this was Mike Tomlin and Ben Roethlisberger in this same situation, then I would expect the same kind of bias against them that the Patriots are facing. There would be the same kind of expectation of punishment. Like the Patriots, the Steelers are a team that people love to hate. If this happened to say a team like the Jaguars, we wouldn't be discussing this (no offense afjagsfan) since they lose and continue to lose year after year. However, the Patriots continue to keep winning year after year and that makes a large section of their fanbase (notice that I am not generalizing here) arrogant and unbearable to talk to. That also creates feelings of resentment towards them for winning. The same thing has happened to a large section of Steelers fans. Still, though. That doesn't give us the right to ignore facts, nor the right to take pleasure in another person's agony by trying to goad them for being a fan of that team. I have never attacked you personally for being a Patriots fan in this matter. I am not attacking your pride as a man or trying to get you to own up to anything. I think that is uncalled for when discussing football. I have only told what I think will/could happen based on how the league operates. The discussion might get heated if I believe that you are ignoring the evidence and making light of this because of your own personal bias as a Patriots fan, though. At the end of the day, all I am saying is that this will get very ugly for the Patriots if there is indeed video of this locker room attendant taking balls out of the official's locker room and taking them somewhere else before taking them directly onto the field. Bill Belichick's legacy is in jeopardy, IMO. As is his Hall of Fame bid.
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Post by patriotsk1d on Jan 26, 2015 22:54:36 GMT -5
So Jay Glazer and the rest of foxsports have pulled a complete 180 from yesterday saying it was a "sting operation" and now it is a lockeroom attendant? Pats preach ball security more than anything. I thought the deflated footballs were the reason Brady was good, or is it now the reason the Pats are low in turnovers? How come Stevan Ridley didnt fumble once in his college career? Is he carrying a fully inflated football? Uh huh, sure. Go ahead and ignore the evidence and attack the source. THEY HAVE VIDEO (I repeat, VIDEO) of the guy actually taking the balls out of the officials' locker room (where they are supposed to be held before being directly taken to the field) before the game and taking them somewhere else before bringing them onto the field. The only reason I see anyone having to do that if they are tampering with them, since moving them from that room is against the rules. If this is indeed true and they release the video in a few weeks (more like a few months if anyone knows Ted Wells), then the Patriots, Bill Belichick, Tom Brady, and now Robert Kraft have expressly lied to the NFL about the organization following every rule to the letter. And we all saw what Roger Goodell did to the Saints in Bountygate. He suspended Sean Payton for the year because he/the NFL believed that "ignorance was no excuse" from being held responsible for that. That precedent has been set so Bill Belichick, based on how the NFL operates, is going to probably at least get the same with what he did for Spygate. Now, I won't deny that I would still be a fan of my team if this happened to the Steelers, even through all of this. I would try to defend the Steelers. However, If this was Mike Tomlin and Ben Roethlisberger in this same situation, then I would expect the same kind of bias against them that the Patriots are facing. There would be the same kind of expectation of punishment. Like the Patriots, the Steelers are a team that people love to hate. If this happened to say a team like the Jaguars, we wouldn't be discussing this (no offense afjagsfan) since they lose and continue to lose year after year. However, the Patriots continue to keep winning year after year and that makes a large section of their fanbase (notice that I am not generalizing here) arrogant and unbearable to talk to. That also creates feelings of resentment towards them for winning. The same thing has happened to a large section of Steelers fans. Still, though. That doesn't give us the right to ignore facts, nor the right to take pleasure in another person's agony by trying to goad them for being a fan of that team. I have never attacked you personally for being a Patriots fan in this matter. I am not attacking your pride as a man or trying to get you to own up to anything. I think that is uncalled for when discussing football. I have only told what I think will/could happen based on how the league operates. The discussion might get heated if I believe that you are ignoring the evidence and making light of this because of your own personal bias as a Patriots fan, though. At the end of the day, all I am saying is that this will get very ugly for the Patriots if there is indeed video of this locker room attendant taking balls out of the official's locker room and taking them somewhere else before taking them directly onto the field. Bill Belichick's legacy is in jeopardy, IMO. As is his Hall of Fame bid. Oh so you have seen the video or the NFL has actually said they had the video? If you listed to these sources you would believe teams are limited to 12 balls and that the footballs were deflated 2 PSI's instead of 1. Not to mention this "source" doesnt even say what the video shows other than it shows someone moving the balls from the locker room. Ever thought that maybe they were moving them to the field? Or do the balls just magically appear on the field? Fact is no one has seen one bit of evidence and considering Kraft, Belichick, and Brady have acted extremely confident tells me there likely isnt any.
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Post by cityofchamps on Jan 26, 2015 23:24:45 GMT -5
Uh huh, sure. Go ahead and ignore the evidence and attack the source. THEY HAVE VIDEO (I repeat, VIDEO) of the guy actually taking the balls out of the officials' locker room (where they are supposed to be held before being directly taken to the field) before the game and taking them somewhere else before bringing them onto the field. The only reason I see anyone having to do that if they are tampering with them, since moving them from that room is against the rules. If this is indeed true and they release the video in a few weeks (more like a few months if anyone knows Ted Wells), then the Patriots, Bill Belichick, Tom Brady, and now Robert Kraft have expressly lied to the NFL about the organization following every rule to the letter. And we all saw what Roger Goodell did to the Saints in Bountygate. He suspended Sean Payton for the year because he/the NFL believed that "ignorance was no excuse" from being held responsible for that. That precedent has been set so Bill Belichick, based on how the NFL operates, is going to probably at least get the same with what he did for Spygate. Now, I won't deny that I would still be a fan of my team if this happened to the Steelers, even through all of this. I would try to defend the Steelers. However, If this was Mike Tomlin and Ben Roethlisberger in this same situation, then I would expect the same kind of bias against them that the Patriots are facing. There would be the same kind of expectation of punishment. Like the Patriots, the Steelers are a team that people love to hate. If this happened to say a team like the Jaguars, we wouldn't be discussing this (no offense afjagsfan) since they lose and continue to lose year after year. However, the Patriots continue to keep winning year after year and that makes a large section of their fanbase (notice that I am not generalizing here) arrogant and unbearable to talk to. That also creates feelings of resentment towards them for winning. The same thing has happened to a large section of Steelers fans. Still, though. That doesn't give us the right to ignore facts, nor the right to take pleasure in another person's agony by trying to goad them for being a fan of that team. I have never attacked you personally for being a Patriots fan in this matter. I am not attacking your pride as a man or trying to get you to own up to anything. I think that is uncalled for when discussing football. I have only told what I think will/could happen based on how the league operates. The discussion might get heated if I believe that you are ignoring the evidence and making light of this because of your own personal bias as a Patriots fan, though. At the end of the day, all I am saying is that this will get very ugly for the Patriots if there is indeed video of this locker room attendant taking balls out of the official's locker room and taking them somewhere else before taking them directly onto the field. Bill Belichick's legacy is in jeopardy, IMO. As is his Hall of Fame bid. Oh so you have seen the video or the NFL has actually said they had the video? If you listed to these sources you would believe teams are limited to 12 balls and that the footballs were deflated 2 PSI's instead of 1. Not to mention this "source" doesnt even say what the video shows other than it shows someone moving the balls from the locker room. Ever thought that maybe they were moving them to the field? Or do the balls just magically appear on the field? Fact is no one has seen one bit of evidence and considering Kraft, Belichick, and Brady have acted extremely confident tells me there likely isnt any. Of course I haven't seen the video. No one has, at least not the public. NFL.com (which is an affiliate of the NFL itself) has reported Jay Glazer's own FoxSports report. However, if the report is true, then the NFL has the video and has seen it if the details of the video has already leaked to the public. If there wasn't enough validity to the report, then NFL.com would post it up there. The report states that the locker room attendant was caught on camera taking the balls to another part of the stadium that wasn't the field. I am just a messenger here. That is what the report states. They aren't allowed to take the balls anywhere else to the stadium while they are moving them from the official's locker room to the field. The implications of the report make the claim that the attendant took the balls from the locker room and then to another room that was not part of the route to the field. As for Kraft, Belichick and Brady acting "confident"? They seem more defiant than confident to me. I will admit that there is a very good chance, if not every chance that Kraft is innocent in all of this and that he is simply defending in his employees, whom he trusts. However, Belichick threw Tom Brady under the bus with his statement, and then Tom Brady threw the NFL under the bus with his statement. Their denials were no more than trying to pass the buck onto someone else before it got too ugly and understandably so since this can easily distract a team, especially in the biggest game of the year in the Super Bowl. If I was confident I was innocent in something, I wouldn't actively try to prove my innocents before the investigation was finished. I wouldn't spend so much of my time trying to calm this down as the Patriots have (with Belichick and Brady having their own separate, individual press conferences to address the situation). If Tom Brady did nothing, he shouldn't have to answer any questions about this. If Bill Belichick did nothing, I would have expected a simple statement to the media that he will let due process sort this out and is only focused on the Super Bowl. They are visibly rattled by this. There is enough evidence against them that they have to spend this much time and energy focusing on this. I think that speaks to some level of guilty conscience whether it be direct, or indirect.
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Post by patriotsk1d on Jan 26, 2015 23:59:35 GMT -5
Oh so you have seen the video or the NFL has actually said they had the video? If you listed to these sources you would believe teams are limited to 12 balls and that the footballs were deflated 2 PSI's instead of 1. Not to mention this "source" doesnt even say what the video shows other than it shows someone moving the balls from the locker room. Ever thought that maybe they were moving them to the field? Or do the balls just magically appear on the field? Fact is no one has seen one bit of evidence and considering Kraft, Belichick, and Brady have acted extremely confident tells me there likely isnt any. Of course I haven't seen the video. No one has, at least not the public. NFL.com (which is an affiliate of the NFL itself) has reported Jay Glazer's own FoxSports report. However, if the report is true, then the NFL has the video and has seen it if the details of the video has already leaked to the public. If there wasn't enough validity to the report, then NFL.com would post it up there. The report states that the locker room attendant was caught on camera taking the balls to another part of the stadium that wasn't the field. I am just a messenger here. That is what the report states. They aren't allowed to take the balls anywhere else to the stadium while they are moving them from the official's locker room to the field. The implications of the report make the claim that the attendant took the balls from the locker room and then to another room that was not part of the route to the field. As for Kraft, Belichick and Brady acting "confident"? They seem more defiant than confident to me. I will admit that there is a very good chance, if not every chance that Kraft is innocent in all of this and that he is simply defending in his employees, whom he trusts. However, Belichick threw Tom Brady under the bus with his statement, and then Tom Brady threw the NFL under the bus with his statement. Their denials were no more than trying to pass the buck onto someone else before it got too ugly and understandably so since this can easily distract a team, especially in the biggest game of the year in the Super Bowl. If I was confident I was innocent in something, I wouldn't actively try to prove my innocents before the investigation was finished. I wouldn't spend so much of my time trying to calm this down as the Patriots have (with Belichick and Brady having their own separate, individual press conferences to address the situation). If Tom Brady did nothing, he shouldn't have to answer any questions about this. If Bill Belichick did nothing, I would have expected a simple statement to the media that he will let due process sort this out and is only focused on the Super Bowl. They are visibly rattled by this. There is enough evidence against them that they have to spend this much time and energy focusing on this. I think that speaks to some level of guilty conscience whether it be direct, or indirect. NFL.com is just as good as ESPN or any other news site. The video claims the employee took the ball to a bathroom on the way to the field for less than 90 seconds. I am not going to spend my time reposting what I have already said in the other thread. Belichick didnt throw Brady under the bus. That whole set of speeches was set up perfectly. If Belichick really threw Brady under the bus Brady would still be dealing with these questions, which isnt the case. Belichick set Brady up to make his speech and then did a follow up speech with his own personal investigation the following day, putting all of the heat back on himself. Kraft did his speech today taking almost all of the pressure off Belichick.
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