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Post by bears75 on Nov 17, 2014 20:21:57 GMT -5
QB: Ken Stabler, Daryle Lamonica RB: Marcus Allen, Clem Daniels, Mark Van Eeghen, Marv Hubbard WR: Tim Brown, Fred Biletnikoff, Cliff Branch, Art Powell, Warren Wells TE: Todd Christensen, Dave Casper, Raymond Chester LT: Art Shell, Barry Sims RT: Henry Lawrence, Lincoln Kennedy C: Jim Otto, Dave Dalby, Don Mosebar LG: Gene Upshaw, Steve Wisniewski RG: Wayne Hawkins, George Buehler LDT: Otis Sistrunk, Tommy Kelly RDT: Chester McGlockton, Bill Pickel LDE: Howie Long, Ike Lassiter RDE: Greg Townsend, Ben Davidson LOLB: Ted Hendricks, Phil Villapiano ROLB: Rod Martin, Gus Otto MLB: Dan Conners, Matt Millen LCB: Lester Hayes, Terry McDaniel RCB: Willie Brown, Charles Woodson FS: Jack Tatum, Eddie Anderson SS: George Atkinson, Dave Grayson P: Shane Lechler, Ray Guy K: Sabastian Janikowski, George Blanda KR: Chris Carr, Desmond Howard
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Post by cantonhall34 on Nov 18, 2014 1:24:43 GMT -5
- I think Jerry Porter would be the other WR instead of Powell, but that's a personal choice I suppose. - Dave Casper would be the starting TE instead. - Neither of the KRs should even be on the team. Clarence Davis was a good returner as well as George Atkinson (also saves a roster spot) - Ray Guy is the backup? No. Only Punter in the HOF, and with reason. For as good as Lechler is, Ray Guy is nobody's backup. - Vann McElroy (FS) and Mike Davis (SS) could also be on this team. They were for a time the starting Safeties for one of the best secondaries in the league, along with KC, SF, and Seattle. - Mickey Marvin (Guard) could also be on the team. - Reggie Kinlaw (NG) is also missing. He was a very good NG when they were running a 3-4. - LOVE Rod Martin. One of my all time favorites. Don't know if he's HOF worthy, but always making plays. Very under-rated player. - Jim Plunkett should get at least a third-team mention here. Won 2 SBs, and played well in those games. He wasn't just along for the ride, and even won a SB MVP (SB15).
Overall, one bad ass team. The All-Time Raiders could line up with any team out there and do well.
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Post by Juggs on Nov 18, 2014 1:37:50 GMT -5
This is a travesty. Why even bother with Rich Gannon or Jim Plunkett. Then bench three of the greatest players of all time for inferior players just beacuse they played for the Raiders slightly longer or have one better stat that you twist around. Biletnikoff is probably a top 5 WR all time, Casper at his position as well, and Guy is the GOAT as far as punters are concerned. I don't know that much about other raiders, so I can't fault most of your other choices, but it seems like you completely flubbed the only people who matter on this list. When I get the time to do so, I will remake these.
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Post by gobolts25 on Nov 18, 2014 2:39:18 GMT -5
Throw Bo in and you'd have one of the scariest RB corps ever.
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Post by cityofchamps on Nov 18, 2014 12:41:25 GMT -5
Throw Bo in and you'd have one of the scariest RB corps ever. How the hell is Bo not on here?
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Post by Juggs on Nov 18, 2014 12:52:11 GMT -5
Throw Bo in and you'd have one of the scariest RB corps ever. wow I forgot about him too! What a snub!
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Post by Jindred on Nov 18, 2014 15:00:11 GMT -5
Throw Bo in and you'd have one of the scariest RB corps ever. How the hell is Bo not on here? Because he played 4 seasons and was never able to to finish a season. I was also wondering why Bo wasn't on there at first but his total inability to stay healthy and the fact that he only played 4 NFL seasons is a huge detractor, especially with the way bears75 makes his rosters.
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Post by cityofchamps on Nov 18, 2014 15:11:31 GMT -5
How the hell is Bo not on here? Because he played 4 seasons and was never able to to finish a season. I was also wondering why Bo wasn't on there at first but his total inability to stay healthy and the fact that he only played 4 NFL seasons is a huge detractor, especially with the way bears75 makes his rosters. Who cares. Bo is probably the greatest single athlete to ever play in professional sports. Sure, he only played 4 NFL seasons, but he displayed a Hall of Fame talent in those 4 seasons. bears75 has also put players ahead of others based on how "effective" they were in less playing time rather than their total amount of stats. Bo should be on there. His talent is undeniable and made his mark in NFL lore despite the small amount of time he played.
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Post by Jindred on Nov 18, 2014 15:21:59 GMT -5
Because he played 4 seasons and was never able to to finish a season. I was also wondering why Bo wasn't on there at first but his total inability to stay healthy and the fact that he only played 4 NFL seasons is a huge detractor, especially with the way bears75 makes his rosters. Who cares. Bo is probably the greatest single athlete to ever play in professional sports. Sure, he only played 4 NFL seasons, but he displayed a Hall of Fame talent in those 4 seasons. bears75 has also put players ahead of others based on how "effective" they were in less playing time rather than their total amount of stats. Bo should be on there. His talent is undeniable and made his mark in NFL lore despite the small amount of time he played. As great as he was he couldn't stay healthy, to me that detracts from a players greatness. Bo Jackson = Ronnie Brown in my eyes, Brown was one of the most talented RBs in the league when healthy, do you know what the problem was and why he won't be remember? He never stayed healthy. Bo would be forgotten IMO if he didn't go on to have a great Baseball career.
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Post by bears75 on Nov 18, 2014 16:48:41 GMT -5
- I think Jerry Porter would be the other WR instead of Powell, but that's a personal choice I suppose. - Dave Casper would be the starting TE instead. - Neither of the KRs should even be on the team. Clarence Davis was a good returner as well as George Atkinson (also saves a roster spot) - Ray Guy is the backup? No. Only Punter in the HOF, and with reason. For as good as Lechler is, Ray Guy is nobody's backup. - Vann McElroy (FS) and Mike Davis (SS) could also be on this team. They were for a time the starting Safeties for one of the best secondaries in the league, along with KC, SF, and Seattle. - Mickey Marvin (Guard) could also be on the team. - Reggie Kinlaw (NG) is also missing. He was a very good NG when they were running a 3-4. - LOVE Rod Martin. One of my all time favorites. Don't know if he's HOF worthy, but always making plays. Very under-rated player. - Jim Plunkett should get at least a third-team mention here. Won 2 SBs, and played well in those games. He wasn't just along for the ride, and even won a SB MVP (SB15). Overall, one bad ass team. The All-Time Raiders could line up with any team out there and do well. Ghost over Christensen? Really? He was a 5 time pro bowler for them and had three 1000 yard seasons and another of 987 yards. Casper never had more than 852 yards in any given season and scored 35 touchdowns compared to 41 for Todd Christensen.
Actually I've heard Lechler's name mentioned in HOF discussions. Let's compare
Ray Guy: 1049 punts, 42.4 AVG Shane Lechler: 1014 punts, 47.5 AVG
You can have Guy, I'll take the extra 5 yards of field position.
McElroy vs Anderson is a pick em IMO 118 tackles in 1991 is impressive and a 53 to 48 AV advantage for Anderson so I gave him the nod.
Mike Davis wasn't a bad player, average maybe slight above at his best. Certainly not in the class if Dave Grayson or Atkinson for that matter.
Mickey Marvin/George Buehler. Another pick em. Similar longevity, similar production.
Me thinks your memory of Kinlaw may be slightly flawed. He was average at best and injury plagued. Only started 52 games in 6 seasons for them.
Plunkett wasn't bad but he only started 57 games for them. If I added a 3rd QB it would be Gannon. As it was the choice for the final roster spot came down to Gannon or Don Mosebar and I went with Mosebar for the fact he was a career Raider and played 173 games with them.
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