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Post by patriotsk1d on Aug 19, 2014 18:48:23 GMT -5
Hell, I bet if Tom Brady got accused of rape but not proven guilty, you would be defending him too. And don't lie saying you wouldn't, because I know you would. You bet I would defend You know I would defend Those are two completely different statements. Which one do you actually believe?
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Post by steelersfan4life56 on Aug 19, 2014 19:05:38 GMT -5
Honestly I just find it funny how you back up Ben's actions, but constantly rip on Johnny's. Well whatever you assume Ben did sure didn't prevent the players from considering him a leader.
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Post by cityofchamps on Aug 19, 2014 19:08:44 GMT -5
Oh, and Mike Pettine has stepped back from his statement of naming the Browns' starter today. He said it would be Tuesday, so that should have been today but of course no decision has been made.
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Post by Morkim on Aug 19, 2014 19:11:40 GMT -5
Honestly I just find it funny how you back up Ben's actions, but constantly rip on Johnny's. Well whatever you assume Ben did sure didn't prevent the players from considering him a leader. How do you know the players won't consider Manziel a leader? I like how we are making a big deal about a dude giving someone the bird. How does that impact his ability to be a leader?
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Post by steelersfan4life56 on Aug 19, 2014 19:19:06 GMT -5
Well whatever you assume Ben did sure didn't prevent the players from considering him a leader. How do you know the players won't consider Manziel a leader? I like how we are making a big deal about a dude giving someone the bird. How does that impact his ability to be a leader? Well it remains to be seen from a fan perspective. But it's easy to tell if the offense plays fired up under Manziel and not Hoyer. Hell the Broncos had obvious energy with Tim Tebow. I don't really care about the middle finger, partying, or arrogance, that just makes him easier to dislike but doesn't really affect much else. I just don't think he's a good player, or will command the offense and lead his teammates.
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Post by patriotsk1d on Aug 19, 2014 21:51:35 GMT -5
lol this is a simple discussion. You can go ahead and call it an argument or a debate if you want. I could careless about "winning" this discussion. Uh huh. Then why are you attacking me on a topic that has nothing to do with this simple discussion? How am I attacking you? Your the one getting offended over a simple statement lol.
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Post by Morkim on Aug 19, 2014 22:41:08 GMT -5
How am I attacking you? Your the one getting offended over a simple statement lol. I am not getting offended. You are just being a hypocrite. You attacked me (in the online sense, not that I feel threatened or anything) about defending Ben's actions. I will never in ANY way condone rape or anything else (nor would any Steeler fan for that matter). Then you tell me that bringing up Aaron Hernandez has nothing to do with this conversation, making my point that Ben also had nothing to do with this, yet you brought it up. I've never seen Patskid or any patriot fan stand up for Hernandez, or call him a leader of any sort. Really even before the incident.
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Post by patriotsk1d on Aug 19, 2014 22:53:39 GMT -5
cityofchampsYou have claimed Ben's innocence multiple times. I have never claimed Hernandez to be innocence. Now tell me how is that even related?
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Post by cityofchamps on Aug 19, 2014 22:56:21 GMT -5
cityofchampsYou have claimed Ben's innocence multiple times. I have never claimed Hernandez to be innocence. Now tell me how is that even related? Innocent until proven guilty. I have never defended his "actions" as you claim I did since they haven't been proven to have happened. They are related because they both have absolutely nothing to do with this conversation on Johnny Manziel, yet you brought it into it.
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Post by patriotsk1d on Aug 19, 2014 23:19:15 GMT -5
cityofchampsYou have claimed Ben's innocence multiple times. I have never claimed Hernandez to be innocence. Now tell me how is that even related? Innocent until proven guilty. I have never defended his "actions" as you claim I did since they haven't been proven to have happened. They are related because they both have absolutely nothing to do with this conversation on Johnny Manziel, yet you brought it into it. lol your really trying to stretch my words. Good luck, you have defended Ben's actions on several occasions. Multiple people here have seen you defend Ben. If I want to do some digging, I am sure I can find at least one of your posts defending Ben. You can dig however much you would like however, and I guarantee you will find no posts of me claiming Hernandez has not done anything. Back to the point, please answer my question. Why is Ben aloud to put himself in these situations, but Johnny is not?
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