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Post by 101mitch on Feb 21, 2014 23:00:57 GMT -5
inconsistent? you are comparing rape to knocking someone out in an altercation. the NFL is gonna wait until they see the evidence themselves. they are not gonna do anything before seeing it themselves. So you are saying domestic violence should not be treated as serious as rape? They are on the same level in my eyes. Not even close in my eyes.
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Post by plax on Feb 21, 2014 23:06:56 GMT -5
inconsistent? you are comparing rape to knocking someone out in an altercation. the NFL is gonna wait until they see the evidence themselves. they are not gonna do anything before seeing it themselves. So you are saying domestic violence should not be treated as serious as rape? They are on the same level in my eyes. Rice did not run up to his fiancee and stop going off on her. We do not know exactly what happened, but it is assumed that there was an altercation. Completely different from what Ben did.
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Post by patriotsk1d on Feb 21, 2014 23:07:22 GMT -5
This absolutely astounds me right now. The way this is being treated is it is almost like they are trying to wipe this under the rug. Ray Rice, who has been one of the premier Running Backs in the NFL over the past 5-6 years and was a part of the Super Bowl Champion Ravens 2 seasons ago, was caught ON CAMERA dragging his unconscious wife out of an elevator after also being caught ON CAMERA knocking her out (police have not released the video). I just don't understand why people are not more outraged about this. Ben Roethlisberger was just only accused by women, who dropped the charges later on, was initially suspended 6 games (almost half an entire season) for that, when there was no conclusive proof. Everyone remembers that complete outcry and how it was on the news all day every day (that discussion is for another thread). Now here is something where there is ACTUAL PROOF and it is being pretty much ignored by the general public (especially in a time in the NFL where there is very little news going on). The fact that the Ravens aren't cutting him for this is despicable. Sure, cutting him would result in a $14 Million cap hit, but if they were any kind of decent, they would accept that like how the Patriots did when they cut Aaron Hernandez. Sure call me a homer/hater and all that, but if nothing is done about this, the injustice of it is insane and it should further lower Roger Goodell's credibility in not being able to deal with the players in the NFL who think they are above the law. What does Goodell have too do with this? I think it is ridiculous that Goodell somehow gets blamed for almost everything. Goodell can do nothing at the moment because of the way the CBA is written. He shouldnt be able to do anything right now because Rice hasnt even been charged for anything. I do not think anything is being "swept under the rug" as Rice has not been charged with anything yet. Right now there is very little information, all I have seen is a video of rice barely moving an unconscious women. It is way to premature to believe that Rice is even responsible for any of her alleged injuries. I am not saying Rice wont be found responsible for his fiance's injuries, but as of now there is no reason to believe that.
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Post by plax on Feb 21, 2014 23:07:47 GMT -5
The Ravens should cut him? lol. I do not agree with what Rice did, but you are comparing what he did to what Ben did, which is laughable. Rice got in an altercation with his fiancee. Ben forced someone against their will and sexually assaulted them. And it is almost impossible to prove that someone raped you. Are the Steelers an indecent franchise because they didn't release Ben? You can bring up what Rice did, but you lose any credibility in trying to use Ben Roethlisberger and not even noting that raping someone gives you jail time easy. The fact remains that there was no proof or evidence and the charges were dropped. Sure there are differences in the scenarios, (Ben being a superstar QB for example), but that could have also brought it on in the first place. Again, I am not trying to cover up for Ben. I am just furious over the fact that something like this where there is proof is not being treated as a situation with questions about it like Ben's was. again, the NFL is not gonna deal any punishment until they see what happened.
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Post by plax on Feb 21, 2014 23:10:23 GMT -5
inconsistent? you are comparing rape to knocking someone out in an altercation. the NFL is gonna wait until they see the evidence themselves. they are not gonna do anything before seeing it themselves. That's exactly what I mean. Was it sexual? Were they (or one of them) intoxicated in way? Was Ray defending himself? (I find that last one unlikely). There's like a million things we don't know about this situation. However, I'm taking CoC's argument over Plax's. Rice needs to be punished by the league in someway and, unfortunate as it is, roelthisberger is not guilty until due process is applied. Who are we to judge him? How do you know that woman wasn't a golddigger plax? you don't. None of us do b/c the proseuction fucked up the case against him. And it's not that hard to prove rape beyond a reasonable doubt, unless it wasn't really a rape case. i am not deeming Rice innocent or that he did anything that should be allowed. but the only reason why Ben got off was because there is no way to prove it; but the majority of people think he was guilty. and you are right, i have no clue who that girl was that was involved in the Ben thing, but that is not my thing to judge or predict.
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Post by patriotsk1d on Feb 21, 2014 23:10:47 GMT -5
inconsistent? you are comparing rape to knocking someone out in an altercation. the NFL is gonna wait until they see the evidence themselves. they are not gonna do anything before seeing it themselves. That's exactly what I mean. Was it sexual? Were they (or one of them) intoxicated in way? Was Ray defending himself? (I find that last one unlikely). There's like a million things we don't know about this situation. However, I'm taking CoC's argument over Plax's. Rice needs to be punished by the league in someway and, unfortunate as it is, roelthisberger is not guilty until due process is applied. Who are we to judge him? How do you know that woman wasn't a golddigger plax? you don't. None of us do b/c the proseuction fucked up the case against him. And it's not that hard to prove rape beyond a reasonable doubt, unless it wasn't really a rape case. Ben put himself in position to be accused of two separate rape allegations in a matter of months. At the very least he put himself in a bad position on multiple occasions. He was lucky too only get suspended 4 games if you ask me. Either way it isnt as if Ben was suspended within a couple of days after his incidents. I dont get how anyone can blame the NFL for not doing anything immediantly.
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Post by cityofchamps on Feb 21, 2014 23:16:14 GMT -5
This absolutely astounds me right now. The way this is being treated is it is almost like they are trying to wipe this under the rug. Ray Rice, who has been one of the premier Running Backs in the NFL over the past 5-6 years and was a part of the Super Bowl Champion Ravens 2 seasons ago, was caught ON CAMERA dragging his unconscious wife out of an elevator after also being caught ON CAMERA knocking her out (police have not released the video). I just don't understand why people are not more outraged about this. Ben Roethlisberger was just only accused by women, who dropped the charges later on, was initially suspended 6 games (almost half an entire season) for that, when there was no conclusive proof. Everyone remembers that complete outcry and how it was on the news all day every day (that discussion is for another thread). Now here is something where there is ACTUAL PROOF and it is being pretty much ignored by the general public (especially in a time in the NFL where there is very little news going on). The fact that the Ravens aren't cutting him for this is despicable. Sure, cutting him would result in a $14 Million cap hit, but if they were any kind of decent, they would accept that like how the Patriots did when they cut Aaron Hernandez. Sure call me a homer/hater and all that, but if nothing is done about this, the injustice of it is insane and it should further lower Roger Goodell's credibility in not being able to deal with the players in the NFL who think they are above the law. What does Goodell have too do with this? I think it is ridiculous that Goodell somehow gets blamed for almost everything. Goodell can do nothing at the moment because of the way the CBA is written. He shouldnt be able to do anything right now because Rice hasnt even been charged for anything. I do not think anything is being "swept under the rug" as Rice has not been charged with anything yet. Right now there is very little information, all I have seen is a video of rice barely moving an unconscious women. It is way to premature to believe that Rice is even responsible for any of her alleged injuries. I am not saying Rice wont be found responsible for his fiance's injuries, but as of now there is no reason to believe that. Roger Goodell basically has all the power (in principle) when it comes to handing out punishments. The so-called "committee" that is supposed to be able to regulate that power is pointless as well since he has the power to overrule their decision. Naturally, everything gets blamed on him as it should. Like I said. Police have said they have obtained video of Rice hitting her and knocking her out. No, they haven't released it, but I don't see why they said they have it if they really don't (there is really nothing to gain and everything to lose in that situation). If there is indeed proof as is indicated, then Ray Rice should be at the very least suspended for 8 games if not more. The NFL needs to do something about this ever-growing problem that NFL players have with self-entitlement and feeling that they are above reproach and the law.
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Post by Juggs on Feb 21, 2014 23:16:27 GMT -5
In the words of an NFL Scout at the combine this week, "No one cares about Johnny Manziel partying. We take guys that beat their girlfriends and shoot up on the weekends. If they get caught, it's not the scout's problem."
The NFL is a dark place.
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Post by Juggs on Feb 21, 2014 23:17:39 GMT -5
"I don't see why they would say they have it if they don't."
Of course they have it. They haven't released it yet. So the NFL can't do anything YET.
Case closed.
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Post by cityofchamps on Feb 21, 2014 23:20:24 GMT -5
That's exactly what I mean. Was it sexual? Were they (or one of them) intoxicated in way? Was Ray defending himself? (I find that last one unlikely). There's like a million things we don't know about this situation. However, I'm taking CoC's argument over Plax's. Rice needs to be punished by the league in someway and, unfortunate as it is, roelthisberger is not guilty until due process is applied. Who are we to judge him? How do you know that woman wasn't a golddigger plax? you don't. None of us do b/c the proseuction fucked up the case against him. And it's not that hard to prove rape beyond a reasonable doubt, unless it wasn't really a rape case. Ben put himself in position to be accused of two separate rape allegations in a matter of months. At the very least he put himself in a bad position on multiple occasions. He was lucky too only get suspended 4 games if you ask me. Either way it isnt as if Ben was suspended within a couple of days after his incidents. I dont get how anyone can blame the NFL for not doing anything immediantly. I am not saying and did not say anything about anyone being punished immediately. All I said that there would be a crazy amount of injustice if nothing was done about Ray Rice's incident if he is indeed proven guilty.
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