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Post by DPNormanReturns on Feb 16, 2014 19:15:38 GMT -5
There are always officiating errors, and I agree that there was one both in the game you mention and also some in the Colts' win over the Titans at home this past season. But playing with ten men instead of eleven is the team's own fault, and incompetence is not an excuse for losing. Don't get me wrong. I like Ken Whisenhunt and if Locker can stay healthy, the Titans may be able to do something. But they're still not on even ground with the Colts. I usually hold you to be a very level headed poster. But seriously, this reeks of bias and hate. the Titans have a very solid defense, and if the Whiz can fix Locker(or do like that Wolverine surgery maybe? Idk make him break less) they are just solid QB play away from dominating the piss poor AFC south. I admit bias. I'm just saying that there's no logical way to make the assertion that coming into this season, barring any ridiculous offseason moves by either side, the Colts and Titans are on even ground. Yes, the AFC South sucks, and yes, Whisenhunt is a good enough coach that given time he may be able to build the Titans into a team that can beat the Colts. My point was that I did not think it was fair at all to state that a Colts-Titans game is 50/50 at this time.
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Post by Juggs on Feb 16, 2014 19:28:30 GMT -5
They're not on even ground. The Titans are much better.
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Post by Morkim on Feb 16, 2014 19:39:12 GMT -5
I usually hold you to be a very level headed poster. But seriously, this reeks of bias and hate. the Titans have a very solid defense, and if the Whiz can fix Locker(or do like that Wolverine surgery maybe? Idk make him break less) they are just solid QB play away from dominating the piss poor AFC south. I admit bias. I'm just saying that there's no logical way to make the assertion that coming into this season, barring any ridiculous offseason moves by either side, the Colts and Titans are on even ground. Yes, the AFC South sucks, and yes, Whisenhunt is a good enough coach that given time he may be able to build the Titans into a team that can beat the Colts. My point was that I did not think it was fair at all to state that a Colts-Titans game is 50/50 at this time. If we did a position by position breakdown I think I'd give the Colts the nod in two categories. One depending on Wayne.
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Post by DPNormanReturns on Feb 16, 2014 20:45:38 GMT -5
I admit bias. I'm just saying that there's no logical way to make the assertion that coming into this season, barring any ridiculous offseason moves by either side, the Colts and Titans are on even ground. Yes, the AFC South sucks, and yes, Whisenhunt is a good enough coach that given time he may be able to build the Titans into a team that can beat the Colts. My point was that I did not think it was fair at all to state that a Colts-Titans game is 50/50 at this time. If we did a position by position breakdown I think I'd give the Colts the nod in two categories. One depending on Wayne. A) I want to see your position breakdown. I can't imagine only giving the edge to the Colts in two positions, but I'm all ears, figuratively. B) Position breakdowns aren't everything. A position breakdown will assuredly say that the Dallas Cowboys are the best team in the NFC East most years, but that doesn't mean they win it. Before you do your position breakdown I beg of you not to forget special teams. This is not just because I want my Colts to get some sort of edge for having Vinatieri as the kicker, but because it is a legitimate pet peeve of mine seeing as, in a previous thread involving position breakdowns, I noticed that no one seemed to be including kickers, punters, kick returners, and gunners/special teamers in general. Please don't think that this is me being biased.
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Post by Morkim on Feb 16, 2014 22:43:25 GMT -5
If we did a position by position breakdown I think I'd give the Colts the nod in two categories. One depending on Wayne. A) I want to see your position breakdown. I can't imagine only giving the edge to the Colts in two positions, but I'm all ears, figuratively. B) Position breakdowns aren't everything. A position breakdown will assuredly say that the Dallas Cowboys are the best team in the NFC East most years, but that doesn't mean they win it. Before you do your position breakdown I beg of you not to forget special teams. This is not just because I want my Colts to get some sort of edge for having Vinatieri as the kicker, but because it is a legitimate pet peeve of mine seeing as, in a previous thread involving position breakdowns, I noticed that no one seemed to be including kickers, punters, kick returners, and gunners/special teamers in general. Please don't think that this is me being biased. I'll give you a kudos for your last paragraph. You're quite right, I was not really considering special teams. And my breakdown is going to be sort of broad. Because let's be honest, I'm not a fan of either team and don't know quite the detail you and Juggs might. But from my experience I would break them down this way: QB: Ind - Ofcourse You have to give Luck the nod here. But when healthy, Locker was pretty solid the first few weeks last year. Juggs does hate hearing 'When healthy' though. lol RB Titans: I don't know what the Titans are doing with CJ, but I don't see you denying this is the Titans. WR: Colts - this is conditional on Wayne being atleast what he was the first half of last year. After Wayne and Hilton, I don't like what I see. Although you did have a couple up and comers show themselves late in the season. Still, without Wayne I'd give Ten the nod O-line Titans: This is sort of broad, because it can be broken down into atleast 3 very different positions. But as a whole, the Titans get this nod, and it's not even close. TE: Titans - I think both teams have very solid TE prospects. I like Walker a lot though, and need to see more from the Colts TE's. When Allen when down Fleener just seemed serviceable. But Allen and Fleener are no joke. DBs: Titans: Again, a broader stroke, But I don't think it'd matter much, I'd give the CB and S classes to the Titans. I don't think too highly of Bethea or Landry. Maybe that's personal bias. But you can't deny the Titans have by far the better corners. I still like McCourty. Linebackers: Colts: It's not just Mathis ofcourse. But I think Walden is sort of underrated as well. Overall the Colts have a very decent linebacker corp. But the Titans are no slouch here. D-Line: Titans: Not much else to say. the Titans D-line is just scary at times. Special Teams: Without looking at any stats, I'd give the nod here to the Colts overall. Vinatieri is good, McAfree is okay I think? And I can't really recall, but believe special teams killed the Titans a few times. Juggs can confirm or deny this. Does this mean I think the Titans offense overall is better than the Colts? Not really. But I feel like it brings up the argument they're close to being on level ground. I'm not even making the argument the Titans are that much better than the Colts, but you're statements implying they're not close to the same level is a little silly. The Colts are not the 'RAWR DOMINATE THE SOUTH' team they were with Manning, and let's be honest, Manning is why they were. He had two studly pass rushers who never played from behind. Luck can't even give them that as he seems to always be playing from behind. And this is the NFL. Look at the turnaround by teams like the Chiefs, 49ers, Even the Colts with a player or two, a new coach, and a new year. Anything can happen in the NFL.
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Post by Juggs on Feb 16, 2014 22:57:05 GMT -5
Titans special teams underperforms, except in kicking and punting. Rob Bironas is one of the league's best, and our punter is good too. On returns and coverage we have been downright bad since Mariani and Reynaud were leading the league. QB: Colts HB: Titans even w/o Chris Johnson TE: Colts WR: Titans even w/ Wayne Oline: Titans Dline: Push LBs: Colts Corners: Titans Safeties: Colts
It's right down the middle as far as I'm concerned, but the Colts usually win because QB play is more important than anything, also coaching, which Munchak blew in both games against the colts in 2012 and 2013. Those four games got him fired. If Locker outduels Luck head to head next year, which I expect to happen, the Titans will rout the Colts. We saw flashes of that this season when the Titans got off to big leads twice, and the colts came back to win twice. It's becoming a good rivalry between to good young QBs. I look forward to it. There is no favorite in the AFC South right now.
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Post by DPNormanReturns on Feb 16, 2014 22:58:03 GMT -5
Morkim I like your breakdown very much and agree with just about all of it. And it was wrong of me to imply that the Titans aren't close to the Colts, because the Colts aren't world beaters and the Titans have a lot of talent. My logic was a) the Titans have a recent history of losing to the Colts, and b) the Colts are still the better team in my opinion, and when you combine a and b, you come to the conclusion that the chances that the Colts will beat the Titans are greater than 50/50. The "anything can happen" argument doesn't change that in my opinion because anything could happen to the Colts, too, and since we don't really know which directions the offseasons of these teams will take them, we can only assume that things are most likely to stay the way they are, which is at least a moderate advantage to the Colts. So why do I think the Colts are a better team despite agreeing with the breakdown? Well, to me, the biggest part of it is that having a QB like Luck is more beneficial to a team than having a RB like Johnson in my opinion. I think QBs often get too much credit and I was happy to finally see a non-QB win the Superbowl MVP award this year, but it makes sense why they do because they are the most important position on the field. And in the case of Luck, he is a leader to the team in a way that no Titan can claim to be, not even Locker. That's invaluable, and having someone like him is how the Colts were able to pull off several major wins last season, especially in close games. @juggs I will disagree with your final statement in that, since we are barely into the offseason, as I see it we should look at past results to determine the favorite in the AFC South, which indicates the Colts are favorites. Heavy favorites? Not at all, and since Jacksonville's been a completely incompetent organization for many years, and since Houston is re-starting this year, the Titans have the best shot to take the division crown away from the Colts. But I think the chances of that happening are a bit smaller than the chances of the Colts winning the division again.
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Post by Morkim on Feb 16, 2014 23:09:44 GMT -5
Morkim I like your breakdown very much and agree with just about all of it. And it was wrong of me to imply that the Titans aren't close to the Colts, because the Colts aren't world beaters and the Titans have a lot of talent. My logic was a) the Titans have a recent history of losing to the Colts, and b) the Colts are still the better team in my opinion, and when you combine a and b, you come to the conclusion that the chances that the Colts will beat the Titans are greater than 50/50. The "anything can happen" argument doesn't change that in my opinion because anything could happen to the Colts, too, and since we don't really know which directions the offseasons of these teams will take them, we can only assume that things are most likely to stay the way they are, which is at least a moderate advantage to the Colts. I don't disagree with this. You're right that the Colts might overall be the better team, as as you said in the quote below, it's mostly because the QB position is a much heavier weight than most other positions. An All Pro Corner won't win you many games himself. An All Pro QB? (Not implying Luck is, just making a point.) My 'anything can happen' was more of an 'any given Sunday' sort of thing really. I mean, on paper, should Arizona beat Seattle in Seattle? Should the Rams blow the Colts out? Some things are just beyond predicting. As a Chiefs fan that was thrilled with the upgrade from Cassel to Smith, I can tell you the QB position changes -everything- (Insert flavored water commercial). Luck does almost single handedly give the Colts the nod. And as I said, I wasn't arguing the Titans are better, just not on a different level. Which as now you agree with me. I feel like I can ride off into the sunset, having actually won an argument.
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Post by 101mitch on Nov 16, 2014 23:15:36 GMT -5
Rams 2014 Schedule PredictionHome Dallas Cowboys ---- The Cowboys have beaten us the last two times. They've continuously out game-planned us despite having a less talented roster. That will end this year. With homefield advantage finally, the Rams win. Philadelphia Eagles ---- I think the Rams will lose this, but only because it's an away game and they have McCoy. New York Giants ---- The Rams should crush the Giants. The Rams match up very well against them. Washington Redskins ---- The Rams should also defeat the Redskins with ease. Denver Broncos ---- The game is at home, and the Rams feature a rock-solid D just like Seattle. Rams win. Kansas City Chiefs ---- Close game, but probably a loss, the Chiefs have a strong D and a solid OL and a dangerous rushing attack. Oakland Raiders ---- Easy win. San Diego Chargers ---- Also an easy win. Minnesota Vikings ---- Unless they get one of the top QB's in the draft, this'll be an easy win. Atlanta Falcons ---- The Rams barely lost to ATL in WK2 when they still had many/pretty much all of their starters. STL wins this time. SF ---- Rams should split with SF SEA ---- Rams should split with SEA ARI ---- Rams should split with ARI Prediction: 11-5 But is that good enough to get into the playoffs, considering it's the NFC West? talk about overrating a team. can I bring this back up when you go 6-10 - 8-8 again? The Rams won't be anywhere less than 10-6.
Home: Denver Broncos - We are going to lose one of these, and I want to put W here, but I'll call it a tie to wuss out. Oakland Raiders - W San Diego Chargers - W New England Patriots - L New York Jets - W Tennessee Titans - W St. Louis Rams - W Seattle Seahawks - L Away: Denver Broncos - L Oakland Raiders - W San Diego Chargers - L Buffalo Bills - W Miami Dolphins - W Pittsburgh Steelers - L Arizona Cardinals - W San Francisco 49ers - L Officially guessing 9-6-1, but I guess 9-7. Man I already hate out schedule. We'll have to go 4-2 or 5-1 in Division to make the playoffs I bet. 101mitch What do you think? Wow, way to be over-generous.
The Chiefs will lose to the Broncos twice, the Cardinals, the Seahawks, the 49ers, once or twice to the Chargers, and then lose 1-2 more that they probably shouldn't. 6-10 to 9-7 at best.[/quote] I wasn't kidding when I said I bookmarked this thread. Where you at now Beast?
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Post by Beastified on Nov 17, 2014 15:32:22 GMT -5
lame.
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